"You should talk to ask me' what I' think about that? Maybe you can explain to me first of all as to 'why all of you and every other barack backer has been so **** head nasty about Hillary'?

Don't send some stupid video to me and make it look like it's one sided. You go back and pull up all of those nasty videos about Hillary over on Youtube and then' ask me that! You got some nerve dude!!!" -- 4949

I'm not really sure what any of this means. Fact of the matter is, Bill said on the Kerry campaign trail that you shouldn't vote for people who fearmonger and Hillary has been fearmongering.

Barack supporters are "nasty" about Hillary because she is losing yet pulling out all the sleazy stops (fearmongering, sound-byte driven nonsense, saying she has more popular votes by counting michigan and florida even though all candidates agreed to discount those and obama wasn't even on the ticket in michigan, etc). i don't like hillary at all and think she is the classic washington politician playing the typical washington politics that obama is trying to CHANGE.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by 4949:

Yeah, but barack was a nothing at the time and barely an anything now.

You just asked what he did and then I told you. The right thing to do is to say, "yeah, I guess he did more than I realized." You seem to be changing the question, instead, from "what did Barrack do?" (your initial question) to "Even though Barrack did a lot, wat was he (e.g., just a nothing) when he did it?"

Yeah, I know after I wrote it, posted it and looked at it, it was a little odd after I looked at it. That also means your paying attention.

Speaking of paying attention, here's something that you folks are not paying attention to.

Hillary has won four out of the last seven states! In two of those states, there was a significant amount of blacks voting. Ohio (12%) & Texas (11.9%). Pretty much, if you look at any of the states that he's won with a black population of about 10% or more, it is fair to say that he otherwise would have won Ohio and Texas. The three states obama has picked up, were pretty much rural.

What this means is 'white voters are either coming out more to vote against him or just simply voting against him, and this is after what took place with obama's pastor. And even more so of what he said.

This is what I mean by being hurt by simple little words and how the simplest words can scare off an otherwise split and possible vote for obama. If by what I just described is true and more people take into account what was said, then momentum would seem to carry. Not a good sign for obama.

There were already millions of Americans who were torn on who to vote for and what was said by obama and his pastor gave the impression that there is some kind of black agenda behind obama. That may sound absurd, but look at what's been happening in the last several elections. Many white voters have shown to be fair about voting for obama (and some of you said it with your own words), unlike the overwhelming vast majority of blacks who have consistently went against Hillary. Like you said, the numbers don't lie.

If Hillary survives Indiana and N.C. you can bet that the supers are going to take that' into consideration. Many of them are politicians and they want to be voted back into office, in their respected positions and will be looking at their voters. If it turns out being close, with his total delegates as his pull and her lead in supers so far, as her pull (and neither one of them gets to the 2,025 needed), then the draw may come down to experience with many of the supers. This last line of words is my own opinion.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by 4949:

Yeah, but barack was a nothing at the time and barely an anything now.

You just asked what he did and then I told you. The right thing to do is to say, "yeah, I guess he did more than I realized." You seem to be changing the question, instead, from "what did Barrack do?" (your initial question) to "Even though Barrack did a lot, wat was he (e.g., just a nothing) when he did it?"

Yeah, I know after I wrote it, posted it and looked at it, it was a little odd after I looked at it. That also means your paying attention.

Speaking of paying attention, here's something that you folks are not paying attention to.

Hillary has won four out of the last seven states! In two of those states, there was a significant amount of blacks voting. Ohio (12%) & Texas (11.9%). Pretty much, if you look at any of the states that he's won with a black population of about 10% or more, it is fair to say that he otherwise would have won Ohio and Texas. The three states obama has picked up, were pretty much rural.

What this means is 'white voters are either coming out more to vote against him or just simply voting against him, and this is after what took place with obama's pastor. And even more so of what he said.

This is what I mean by being hurt by simple little words and how the simplest words can scare off an otherwise split and possible vote for obama. If by what I just described is true and more people take into account what was said, then momentum would seem to carry. Not a good sign for obama.

There were already millions of Americans who were torn on who to vote for and what was said by obama and his pastor gave the impression that there is some kind of black agenda behind obama. That may sound absurd, but look at what's been happening in the last several elections. Many white voters have shown to be fair about voting for obama (and some of you said it with your own words), unlike the overwhelming vast majority of blacks who have consistently went against Hillary. Like you said, the numbers don't lie.

If Hillary survives Indiana and N.C. you can bet that the supers are going to take that' into consideration. Many of them are politicians and they want to be voted back into office, in their respected positions and will be looking at their voters. If it turns out being close, with his total delegates as his pull and her lead in supers so far, as her pull (and neither one of them gets to the 2,025 needed), then the draw may come down to experience with many of the supers. This last line of words is my own opinion.

Hillary's won 4 of the last 7 (roughly half)? Big deal. What the other 35 states don't matter now? Hillary will survive Ind and NC in the sense that no matter what happens and even if it's clear there's no way she can get the nomination, she'll stay in until the convention. She wants Obama to lose the general election because then she could run again in 2012. When you lose the popular vote, the total delegate count, and the most states, you will not be the nominee. She already knows she won't be but doesn't care.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2008 7:24 PM]

Posted by 4949:

Says who Bonn? You??? You forget some factors I just mentioned above. You just swept it all under the rug, like it didn't even matter. Based on zero facts, just emotional outburst. And you twisted yet another fact around. I never made any mention of other states not counting. I merely pointed out rural vs. populated differences and who's been carrying them. Hillary has a chance to be nominated and she has a chance to knock McCain off. This is very real and you can't just brush it off like it's a 'fairy tale'.

What did I brush off? You wrote like an eleven paragraph post. I didn't read all of it.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by 4949:

Says who Bonn? You??? You forget some factors I just mentioned above. You just swept it all under the rug, like it didn't even matter. Based on zero facts, just emotional outburst. And you twisted yet another fact around. I never made any mention of other states not counting. I merely pointed out rural vs. populated differences and who's been carrying them. Hillary has a chance to be nominated and she has a chance to knock McCain off. This is very real and you can't just brush it off like it's a 'fairy tale'.

What did I brush off? You wrote like an eleven paragraph post. I didn't read all of it.

That's your excuse?!

All right, I'll take the time to read it although it would be better if you could be more concise.

Hillary has won four out of the last seven states! In two of those states, there was a significant amount of blacks voting. Ohio (12%) & Texas (11.9%). Pretty much, if you look at any of the states that he's won with a black population of about 10% or more, it is fair to say that he otherwise would have won Ohio and Texas. The three states obama has picked up, were pretty much rural.

What this means is 'white voters are either coming out more to vote against him or just simply voting against him, and this is after what took place with obama's pastor. And even more so of what he said.

You're making way too much out of an extremely small sample of states (7--really just 4 actually since Obama won the other 3). Look at the bigger picture. Hillary's lost the popular vote, lost the most states, and lost the delegate count.

This is what I mean by being hurt by simple little words and how the simplest words can scare off an otherwise split and possible vote for obama. If by what I just described is true and more people take into account what was said, then momentum would seem to carry. Not a good sign for obama.

I don't know what you mean by "simple little words" and don't follow this paragraph.

If Hillary survives Indiana and N.C. you can bet that the supers are going to take that' into consideration.

What do you mean by "survives"? I suspect "surviving" the two races to her means losing by no more than 100 percent.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2008 8:41 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Hillary has won four out of the last seven states! In two of those states, there was a significant amount of blacks voting. Ohio (12%) & Texas (11.9%). Pretty much, if you look at any of the states that he's won with a black population of about 10% or more, it is fair to say that he otherwise would have won Ohio and Texas. The three states obama has picked up, were pretty much rural.

What this means is 'white voters are either coming out more to vote against him or just simply voting against him, and this is after what took place with obama's pastor. And even more so of what he said.

You're making way too much out of an extremely small sample of states (7--really just 4 actually since Obama won the other 3). Look at the bigger picture. Hillary's lost the popular vote, lost the most states, and lost the delegate count.

This is what I mean by being hurt by simple little words and how the simplest words can scare off an otherwise split and possible vote for obama. If by what I just described is true and more people take into account what was said, then momentum would seem to carry. Not a good sign for obama.

I don't know what you mean by "simple little words" and don't follow this paragraph.

If Hillary survives Indiana and N.C. you can bet that the supers are going to take that' into consideration.

What do you mean by "survives"? I suspect "surviving" the two races to her means losing by no more than 100 percent.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-26-2008 8:41 PM]

Um, there are forces out there that say they won't support barack either, if she doesn't make it. They are too turned off by barack.

Look Bonn, if the super delegates decide to vote her in for nomination, then it's a no brainer. She can run against McCain and who knows what would happen. It's that simple. You talk as if she has to be popular. That doesn't make any sense. But if they decide to vote barack in, then all of your points are proven. I go by numbers. I don't care about anyones feelings on the subject. The numbers are what count. Your assuming barack is nominated, without an official nomination. Nobody knows what the supers are going to do yet.

And Bonn if your referring to the popular vote amongst democrats, I hardly think 47.5% vs. 47.2% overall so far is going to be too significant for barack to make a serious case.

The fact that she won four out of the last seven states isn't the fact. The fact is 'barack has lost four out of the last seven. Take your pick.

I use the word survive because she is 'in fact' behind in delegates. She is one big state away from losing the whole campaign. By winning the big states in the last several elections, she is in fact a survivor. You and others may just see that as her being an annoyance to baracks campaign. That's your entitlement.