Posted by BigSm00th:

why dont they just fire him? i don't get the point of keeping the guy around at all

The yrs left on the contract extension. The fact he cost Dolan $11.6mil in a case for an unwanted employee. It's all about Money at this point IMO. Dolan doesn't want anymore Free Loaders.

I have a hard time believing Isola.

I think we are all witnessing the exile of Isiah. Let Donnie do his due diligence. We all want things to happen quickly, but I rather the new management make their decisions on their own pace rather than the "quick trigger" that has been pulled way too frequently around here.

Seems to me that management is trying to get Isiah to resign and reach yet another settlement in terms of contract economics.

Islesfans and other dissenters, while I agree that Isiah should NOT be kept in any capacity, I think there is a method to this madness and I think we rather the org be methodical rather than reactionary due to the media and fans impatience with the front office.

Rome was not built in a day and this team will not be rebuilt in a summer either. We will see a new front office and basketball decision makers before we see tangible changes in terms of the actual personnel (players). However, I would anticipate the removal of Isiah from all capacities in due time.

In fact, I think this news, which is being reported everywhere, is a VERY positive sign. The team has not countered any speculation yet. Evidently, they are stripping Isiah of everything...I just think that the entire process is slow for now.

It is also intersting that this news came out after the assistant coaches and team staff was interviewed by Walsh. A full investigation is taking place.

1. Player exit interviews completed - the team was not motivated or competitive and a new voice is needed- RESULT: Isiah FIRED from coaching

2. Assistant coaches/basketball staff interviews completed - RESULT: Isiah cannot have any association with the players

Walsh is compiling evidence and making decisions based on his assessment. We have to wait and see what happens next.

[Edited by - queeniepop on 04-22-2008 11:44 AM]

[Edited by - queeniepop on 04-22-2008 11:46 AM]

Posted by Queeniepop:

I think we are all witnessing the exile of Isiah. Let Donnie do his due diligence. We all want things to happen quickly, but I rather the new management make their decisions on their own pace rather than the "quick trigger" that has been pulled way too frequently around here.

Seems to me that management is trying to get Isiah to resign and reach yet another settlement in terms of contract economics.

Islesfans and other dissenters, while I agree that Isiah should NOT be kept in any capacity, I think there is a method to this madness and I think we rather the org be methodical rather than reactionary due to the media and fans impatience with the front office.

Rome was not built in a day and this team will not be rebuilt in a summer either. We will see a new front office and basketball decision makers before we see tangible changes in terms of the actual personnel (players). However, I would anticipate the removal of Isiah from all capacities in due time.

In fact, I think this news, which is being reported everywhere, is a VERY positive sign. The team has not countered any speculation yet. Evidently, they are stripping Isiah of everything...I just think that the entire process is slow for now.

It is also intersting that this news came out after the assistant coaches and team staff was interviewed by Walsh. A full investigation is taking place.

1. Player exit interviews completed - the team was not motivated or competitive and a new voice is needed- RESULT: Isiah FIRED from coaching

2. Assistant coaches/basketball staff interviews completed - RESULT: Isiah cannot have any association with the players

Walsh is compiling evidence and making decisions based on his assessment. We have to wait and see what happens next.

[Edited by - queeniepop on 04-22-2008 11:44 AM]

[Edited by - queeniepop on 04-22-2008 11:46 AM]

Due diligence? Any nitwit in China could see Isiah needed to be fired, not banished. This explanation gives me the impression Walsh ain't all that savvy and is the kind of guy who spends his day calculating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.

DUE DILIGENCE in finding ways to rid of Isiah without him getting a $18M pay-out.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BigSm00th:

why dont they just fire him? i don't get the point of keeping the guy around at all

The yrs left on the contract extension. The fact he cost Dolan $11.6mil in a case for an unwanted employee. It's all about Money at this point IMO. Dolan doesn't want anymore Free Loaders.

Isiah had the authority to waste tens of millions on guys like Chaney, Wilkens, Brown, Isiah himself, and hundreds of millions on worthless players we're gonna have to pay to remove. Walsh comes in to purge the roster and the ungodly payroll Isiah accumulated but he's not allowed to remove the man most responsible for the folly because Dolan suddenly feels cheap?

Bonn said it best - it's just dysfunctional.

Walsh will only succeed if he can save Dolan from himself, and in his first big test he has failed. Doesn't mean the experiment is doomed to fail here on forward, but it's off to a poor start.

I think Dolan was in cheap mode in the off-season with exception to the trial because in his warped mind, I think he felt MSG would honestly win the case. He's been cutting back for a little while though. When was the last buyout? I agree with the dysfunctional label and it's seen in his resistance to commence more buyouts. Steve Francis should have been bought out, there would probably be no Zach. Jerome James should have been bought out there would be room for Nichols or some other player. Dolan hasn't commented on I SAY UGH in any capacity, he kept him out of the loop in the hiring process. I think the guy truly feels regret over backing this guy but he owes him money and to be honest I SAY UGH probably has some dirt on him he'd rather not have exposed at this time.

The good news is that Isiah's name is still attached to the organization, so conversation about his role can still overwhelm the positives during lottery placement, draft night, the opening of training camp, etc.

Am I the only one who can't wait for his first roadside interview when he can tell us he's a deadman walking and they want him to quit but it's not going to happen?

So glad the Knicks haven't moved forward from the Isiah era yet, there's still so much more drama and distraction we can pull from it.

TB, just to be clear, I don't see us really agreeing or disagreeing. We're just talking and amplifying a few of each other's concerns.

The players will need to be addressed but that's going to take a long time. The Isiah situation should have been handled months ago.

I do like Lee, I think most coaches and GMs would like him on their team. He's an asset in many ways because he sets a good tone on and off the court. That said, talk of him getting anywhere near a max contract is nuts and I'd want nothing to do with that.

There's no other player on the team I give a hoot about, though I'd be in no rush to rid ourselves of Chandler.

But not every player on a team needs to be a scholar and a gentleman. My point has always been that good teams can absorb a loser or two but no team can be good with a foundation of them.

At this point anyone who is a distraction from the concept of team needs to go as soon as possible, and no one better represents that than Isiah. The Isiah situation is all about Isiah and his money, and it's an ongoing and petty distraction that is not good for the team. It's anything but "classy".

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-22-2008 1:14 PM]

Posted by joec32033:

I'm down with Queenie on this one. As much as I wanted to see Isiah fired ASAP it honestly would have been more of the same rash decision making that we have all become accustomed to.

This is probably the best news I have heard from this organization in years.

I think this is about Isiah in his money too. I don't think firing Isiah right away would be rash. He obviously deserves to be fired. The Bucks fired Larry Harris within the span of 1 day or so, and he didn't even do as bad a job as Isiah. No one considered that rash.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 04-22-2008 1:47 PM]

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by BigSm00th:

why dont they just fire him? i don't get the point of keeping the guy around at all

Why speculate on why they didn't fire him.

because it's unprecedented...no well run organization has ever done something like this.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

They said for him to stay away from the TEAM and player facility. This has nothing to do with him staying away from the business aspects of the organization and decisions made. He's banned from the TEAM not the organization.

that makes no sense. Why someone associated with the organization be banned from the team?

The whole situation makes no sense but somehow it's still happening.