Posted by King1:

the next coach is going to give up and quit like Brown did. The prisoners have ran this asylum for a long time. You want to get rid of one of the few character guys you have and keep the morons. Lets hire the Denver GM whose morons can play and ours cant. Warkenstein loves Zach too. Until Steph, ZBO, Quentin, James are gone and Balkman starts working on his game who cares who we draft. If you have these five clowns on the team trade your draft pick this year until they are gone and then use it. Talent when the first 45 minutes of a game the 3 character we have neither.

Brown quit on the team right after he signed his massive contract(before the Brown lovers jump on my ass, he knew what he was getting into), Balkman is not the problem here at least he tries. The addition of Zach made the team worst IMO, he dominated the ball,went for his every night also added a massive four year contract when Stevie fartchise would be coming off the books this year. Thanks Zeke.

Posted by King1:

No then you fill in spots with hard workers, draft picks, and character guys. Portland did it that way they got rid of the crap i.e Zach and were a better team and we we much worse adding a 20/10 guy. We are four starters away from being a good team

King this isn't the boyscouts. Winning breeds better attitude less bad publicity, losing shows all the faults in a team. You are very naive if you think every good team in the NBA is filled with nothing but nice character guys. Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Allen Iverson, JR Smith, Josh Smith, Bonzi Wells, Rasheed Wallace etc when things were bad all their "character" issues were on display and harped on by the media. But when they are or were on good teams it falls into the background. This isn't so much about Zach but just the notion that only good guys win Championships in this league which is false.

Bitty I am not saying your whole team has to be great guys. Hamilton and Billups good character, parker and Duncan, Nash and Shaq, Garnett and Allen getting the picture yet. You put morons around good people sometime they conform.

Have no idea all I know he is a great character guy. You need leaders and talent and we have some talent but no leaders. Does anyone on this board think we can win with quentin, steph, zach on this team?

Posted by King1:

Bitty I am not saying your whole team has to be great guys. Hamilton and Billups good character, parker and Duncan, Nash and Shaq, Garnett and Allen getting the picture yet. You put morons around good people sometime they conform.

Rip Hamilton is an *******. I don't even have to explain it. He can play but he it a complete arrogant bitch. Billups is a whinney complaining *******. Parker is a French Rapper, nuff said. Ray Allen's temperment has completely change since he was in Milwakee, cuz he was a prick too.

Anyway.....bottom line is......it has to mesh. Rodman didn't have much of a relationship with Pip or Jordan.....but they played hard together and it worked. You can go through the course of history and find similiar stories. High character? maybe......but bottom line is guys have to click together and believe in the system. All things have to click from the GM to the coach and ownership......Nothing is on the same page with the Knicks thats why there is so much embarrassment going on.

Isiah is not the President, GM or coach.......no player is safe. I'm sure Donnie can see what we all see cuz he's already hinted on some things. Get a bag a cheetos bro and lean back.

Bitty I have met every single one of the players that I talked about character

Posted by bitty41:

I'm not talking about hanging outside hotel stalkings or being at an autograph signing because that still doesn't make you qualified to judge a guy's character. Unless your their wife/girlfriend, family, close friend or very close family friend then you would be in a position to possibly judge a guy's character.

come on now bitty, there are a LOT of ways to judge a persons professional sports character without being one of the above and do it in a way that makes a pretty close approximation.

I mean, we all KNOW that marbury is a sulker and bad around teammates, right? Bad character guy? And none of us got in the truck with him.

Posted by bitty41:

See Martin thats different if your talking about bad teammate vs a good teammate. Then frame the discussion in that context but this nonesense about determing whose got good character vs bad is just that nonesense.
Because if your going to personalize the issue like King then thats something that none of us are really qualified to make judgement on. Except in blantantly obvious cases (convicted murderer, convicted rapist, convicted pedophila, etc). Jason Kidd's wife accused him of domestic abuse so do we now put him in the category of bad character and therefore never want him on our team, or Kobe Bryant was accused of rape and at the very least cheated on his wife so where does he fall? Also is it okay to have bad character if your a really good player versus just an average player with bad character?

I do think the discussion of character, especially in this case, is always about how a person does on the court and on the team in general and not just related to strictly character.

Briggs I totally agree with that but with the salary cap you cant turn over all 12 players. Keep Lee, Crawford, Chasndler, and then the rest can go. I agree you get rid of Lee if you get a great deal which I think you can but I am not sure I dont trade down in the draft if you get a high pick. From 3-10 not a lot of difference and we need a pick for next year.