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4/20/2008  7:42 PM
Posted by majorleads:



I understand where you're coming from, but you have to realize the next two seasons there will be and should be a tremendous amount of turnover on the roster. This is the perfect time for Walsh to see if Mark Jackson can be that next really good coach. Maybe he will turn out to be Byron Scott or Nate McMillan, maybe he won't. If Mark Jackson proves to be more Don Chaney, then we get rid of him before 2010.

But why take a chance in the first place? It's not like we need' to take anymore chances. And the Knicks are known to further a wreck contract more than getting rid of them. There's no guarantee that if he fails miserably, that he will be fired. As a matter of fact, he'll probably get an extension and absorbed into the system somehow. We're already seeing this happen now. So why push to get him here?
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4/20/2008  9:45 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think Walsh knows this and will be looking for the same in interviews. Based on what I've heard him say I don't think he will be looking for a passive coach. Only time will tell of course

I think he needs to hire a guy from Connecticut.
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4/20/2008  11:22 PM
I have to disagree with you about Jax. I watched some Nets games and found him to be outspoken about how teammates should help each other. He talked alot about picks, fouls, sending a message etc. He also talked alot about how great it was to play with guys like Oak and Ew because he knew they had his back if he fouled someone hard or if someone fouled him hard. I don't think you can achieve what Jax achieved without an intense passion. He was always outspoken as a player and his mouth sometimes got him in trouble. I think he goofs around alot with Marv but I think he has an intense desire to win. He was a leader on the court and in his position now he is not speaking as a player or a coach. If Jax is named coach and doesn't succeed it will be because of the roster or possibly his inexperience. It will not be because he takes a Don Chaney or Isiah Thomas approach to coaching.
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4/21/2008  1:39 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I have to disagree with you about Jax. I watched some Nets games and found him to be outspoken about how teammates should help each other. He talked alot about picks, fouls, sending a message etc. He also talked alot about how great it was to play with guys like Oak and Ew because he knew they had his back if he fouled someone hard or if someone fouled him hard. I don't think you can achieve what Jax achieved without an intense passion. He was always outspoken as a player and his mouth sometimes got him in trouble. I think he goofs around alot with Marv but I think he has an intense desire to win. He was a leader on the court and in his position now he is not speaking as a player or a coach. If Jax is named coach and doesn't succeed it will be because of the roster or possibly his inexperience. It will not be because he takes a Don Chaney or Isiah Thomas approach to coaching.

No ring and no proven experience is all I need to know. Stephon Marbury and Nate Robinson speak out loudly also, but does that make them great speakers? Hell no!
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4/21/2008  9:19 AM
4949 - trying to lump Mark Jackson in with Stephon Marbury or Nate Robinson on verbal skills ( while dissing his experience, intellect and basketball leadership) is a clumsy rationale to not hire him as the Knicks head coach.

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4/21/2008  9:22 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Panos - you're kidding, right?

Mark Jackson shoulda never left New York

I miss Rod Strickland

Of course I'm not kidding. He was consistently out of shape, and never a good defender because of it.
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4/21/2008  9:44 AM
Point guards with his cred is like being a coach.

He understands team chemsitry and how to motivate.

DOn't confuse an annoucer with how he would be. He can demostrate being smart but calling a game is like selling somthing. Its about keeping the fan tuned in.

Getting a Skiles to come in and yell won't work with this soft group of player.

Turning this around with existing players won't be easy so in my mind who ever comes in gets a free pass year one if the roster is not radically changed.

Yelling and screaming is not always the best way to be "tough".

JVG was a classic workaholic and looked so pained during and after games with that can of diet coke and the black around his eyes.

Real question is does Jax really want to work that hard? His family stayed in LA, and he is likely set for life financially. It seems Isiah did not despite the words he spoke.

I like the guy and hope for his and our sakes he keeps it honest and does not sign on to take dolans millions and mail it in.
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4/21/2008  9:46 AM
Mark Jackson is a mistake, he has the same odor as bringing in Stephon Marbury. I'm not that excited for bringing in a local. I want the best possible candidate, and right now Mark isn't the best candidate because he has no coaching experience. He would be well served to spend a year or two learning coaching as an assistant.

[Edited by - Vmart on 04-21-2008 09:48 AM]
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4/21/2008  9:48 AM
VMart - who is the best candidate in your opinion?
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4/21/2008  9:58 AM
Lets see we have a mentally soft bunch of thugs that are generally stupid. What type of coach is perfect for this bunch? That's a fact don't debate it, or say i am being racist. They are a disgrace.

We tried Larry they all wanted to kill themselves, they wanted Isiah and they gave up and quit, Mark Jackson is not the problem. You are supposed to be impartial when you're an announcer.

All I know is Mark Jackson had limited skills as a ball player, wasn't any where near as talented or athletic as everyone he played against, but he is an all time assist leader, and they had to change the rules because he was abusing younger point guards. He had to work for things, jobs were not handed to him like Isiah.

There are zero comparisons betweeen the two, Isiah is human garbage. Mark Jackson is a respected presence and voice and people are actually pulling for him. The culture is changing, we have a gm that is now respected and people will actually deal with.

Frankly Jamal Crawford coming out and supporting Isiah only reinforces the need to get this guy off the team. Nate, to follow, love his energy but if you are winning your 23 game of the season celebrating because you dunked the ball you are not a professional. Jackson will play the best guys he won't play the dissapointments that he signed.

Isiah proved he is indept in every department, but one during his tenure, and he was subpar at best drafting players, Morris, Collins, Balkman are fringe nba roster players. Frye is and 8th man in this league not the 8th selection in the draft, lee and nate are his only positive contributions in four seasons. Chandler has some offensive ability but is in space on defense.

Jackson will not tolerate players not being professional, not running back on defense, Isiah is a zero, plain and simple. Money has nothing to do with who you are.
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4/21/2008  10:00 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by majorleads:



I understand where you're coming from, but you have to realize the next two seasons there will be and should be a tremendous amount of turnover on the roster. This is the perfect time for Walsh to see if Mark Jackson can be that next really good coach. Maybe he will turn out to be Byron Scott or Nate McMillan, maybe he won't. If Mark Jackson proves to be more Don Chaney, then we get rid of him before 2010.

But why take a chance in the first place? It's not like we need' to take anymore chances. And the Knicks are known to further a wreck contract more than getting rid of them. There's no guarantee that if he fails miserably, that he will be fired. As a matter of fact, he'll probably get an extension and absorbed into the system somehow. We're already seeing this happen now. So why push to get him here?


Thank you how many times are we going to get burned on gambles before we start hiring people with proven track records.
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4/21/2008  12:16 PM
>>Chandler has some offensive ability but is in space on defense.

MS - what does this mean?
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4/21/2008  12:24 PM
MS - thugs?

which players are thugs? Does this include David Lee?
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4/21/2008  12:27 PM
Posted by misterearl:

VMart - who is the best candidate in your opinion?

Oh boy, here we go with the "Who else is there?" garbage.

Just to remind everyone, misterearl did the same garbage with Isiah, as if nobody out there was better than Isiah when in fact everyone was and still is.
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4/21/2008  12:38 PM
Thugs include: Marbury, Nate, Zach, a few others that are on the fence. And no Lee is not included

Players that don't really care include: Nate, Balkman (notrious for his partying), Marbury, Zach, Curry, James, Crawford (hasn't improved his offense of defense since he has been in the league, you don't d up you don't care plain and simple)

I was saying that Chandler is lost on defense, absent minded like the rest of the players on this team

And before we jumped to conclusions from the above, remember how many people were quick to call us a playoff team and dismiss anyone that mentioned the knicks as the 12th best team in the conference and call into question how the team didn't care enough to stop anyone.

The Knicks were the worst conditioned team in the league, actually have players that are overweight Z,C,Q,R, etc and don't take their offseasons seriously (Nate, Crawford, Curry, etc)
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4/21/2008  12:49 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by misterearl:

Panos - you're kidding, right?

Mark Jackson shoulda never left New York

I miss Rod Strickland

Of course I'm not kidding. He was consistently out of shape, and never a good defender because of it.


Panos - the critique of Mark Jackson is appreciated but a bit revisionist. Jax played at a hefty 205 (or something in that area) and used his weight advantage to post up opposing guards, but I don't recall being "out of shape" as an issue with him.

With that said, the fact that Phil Jackson was a bench player with limited defensive skills, other than his freedom to hack away on shot attempts, with the more skilled Dave Stallworth to get his back, has little to do with his learning curve as a CBA head coach as a contemporary of CBA head coach Cazzie Russell... who, for the record, was also a better player.

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4/21/2008  12:53 PM
MS - what has Nate done to be permanently labelled a "thug"?

I thought the energetic Nate had an improved season in a reserve role. Sure, you may hate his chest pounding but that does not make him a thug.

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4/21/2008  12:55 PM
If the always-entertaining and well-informed killa4luv were here I'm positive he would have something to say about the arbitrary use of the "thug" label.

Positive.
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4/21/2008  12:59 PM
Posted by misterearl:

MS - what has Nate done to be permanently labelled a "thug"?

I thought the energetic Nate had an improved season in a reserve role. Sure, you may hate his chest pounding but that does not make him a thug.

You mean other than being suspended for fighting and escalating a brawl or numerous altercations with teammates?
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4/21/2008  1:09 PM
I was kind of hoping to see more responses like...

"He has never coached before."


Im astonished as to why this man gets so much support.

I'll continue fruitlessly praying for the return of JVG.
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