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Vmart
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4/19/2008  9:18 PM
Posted by dodger78:

We are NOT getting a superstar out of this draft if we dont pick either 1 or 2. Serviceable players yes but no superstars.
FA is a crapshot? Sure but NY is a huge market and there are some very convincing arguments to get a guy like LeBron to the Knicks if they have the cap space.
Of course there is a chance to get under the cap enough until 2010... but you have to live with a "cheap" team of rookie-contract players and guys whose contracts run until 2010. The contracts that have to be moved would be Curry, Zach and Craw.


Everyone keeps harping on the MArket New York Brings but to tell you guys the truth when you are in the NBA the market finds you. Just look at DWade this guy is on the TV all the time he ain't in NY. If you are a great player the Marketing Execs find you. The thing with the NBA is you can get the same treatment if you are in San Antonio or you are in NY it doesn't matter. And if you are a player who the hell wants to deal with NY media.
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4/20/2008  8:59 AM
although I reallly reaallllyy want to trade Curry, no picks please
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4/20/2008  12:12 PM
wonder if the Wiz would do Curry for Etan Thomas and this years first
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/20/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by Vmart:

As much as Curry hqas let us down they should just keep the fat boy and give him Patrick Ewing to work with. I think Curry has been deprieved of a big man to teach him the ropes of the game.

curry should've went to college. that's the problem. You can't fix that.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4/20/2008  6:54 PM
Posted by Vmart:


I'm totally against Mark Jackson as coach for the Knicks I don't think he has done the time to merit being head coach. Atleast do some assitant work for a couple of years. My choice for caoch are Carisle and JVG, I wasn't a big fan of JVG towards the end as his offense tends to be stale but his preaching of defense makes up for the lack of offense.

I agree. I think these young Knicks need to be influenced by a coach who is proven. This should not be a testing ground, a learning curve for some nobody. Especially someone who's recent experience is commentary.
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4/21/2008  10:09 AM
We have discussed before and I do believe that Miami is the perfect place for Curry. We know Padre Riles loves big men and Curry is the closest thing to a big man with offensive post skills that Riley can get at this stage. Curry deficiencies can be masked with the slew of defensive specialist they now have. Haslem, Marion and Wade.

I think it is a fair trade if we can get their 2nd rounder this year with Blount and a future 1st rounder. Imaginge if they get the 1st pick?

C-Curry
PF-Beasley
SF-Marion
SG-Wade
PG-???

or

C-Curry
PF-Haslem
SF-Marion
SG-Wade
PG-Rose

They would be really good really quick.
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4/21/2008  6:05 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

We have discussed before and I do believe that Miami is the perfect place for Curry. We know Padre Riles loves big men and Curry is the closest thing to a big man with offensive post skills that Riley can get at this stage. Curry deficiencies can be masked with the slew of defensive specialist they now have. Haslem, Marion and Wade.

I think it is a fair trade if we can get their 2nd rounder this year with Blount and a future 1st rounder. Imaginge if they get the 1st pick?

C-Curry
PF-Beasley
SF-Marion
SG-Wade
PG-???

or

C-Curry
PF-Haslem
SF-Marion
SG-Wade
PG-Rose

They would be really good really quick.

I Riley could get Curry's fata-- to lose 25 lbs (he did it with Shaq at least for a year), then that would be a solid tam. A healthy D. Wade with Rose and Marion and Haslem anchoring the forward spots will allow Curry to just focus on offense and passing.
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4/25/2008  10:02 AM



can't take credit for the idea...only for the artwork.


I've said it before: Get rid of Zach. Go back to force-feeding Eddy. If you can get him back to a 19/7 player again? You can trade him. A 19/7 Center making what 9.7M? Tradeable. We can liquidate him to the planned 2010 summer cap savings and maybe get an "ariza" or a protected pick out of it as well.

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4/25/2008  10:25 AM
Posted by buddapaw:

Having cap space means diddlysquat remember when JORDAN was a free agent we had the cap space then, we all know how that turned out. For years the Knicks have went away from developing their young players and always try to trade for the star player which we always pick the wrong one that never pans out, gets injured, is injured or turns to crap when they get here. Get the right coach to whip these bastards we have on the team in shape then go from there. Zach and Marbury I believe are both lost causes in the concept of team play so they must be shown the door. At least Curry will defer his play for the good of the team to a fault, we need that mofo to be aggressive at all times.

thank you. I think cap space as a goal to target a guy like Lebron is just a bad plan. Look at the history of the league and show me star aquired via FA that elevated his team to an elite status. I can come up with Shaq, and that was pre-current CBA, and everyone knew Shaq was going to LA. I have no problem working towards getting the roster more flexible and cap friendly but at such a cost where we are giving up good pieces. We all have our Curry disdain but he's a useful piece. He proved he can score close to 20pts a game at + 50% in 30 minutes all around the basket. He may not be a franchise center but post scorers dont grow on trees.

Much more realistic is stockpiling as many cap friendly contracts, picks and young players as possible and either develop a team or try a Boston type scenario in a couple years. Hopefully we get lucky enough to draft a guy like Rose. Then maybe in a 2 years suround him with Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Brad Miller and whatever other overpaid but usefull guy is out there. How would you feel if that was your team in 2 years. Sure some of those guys 30ish.. but you will be winning games (a lot I hope) have a young star and some good pieces to move around if need. All we need now is to win the lottery :)
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4/25/2008  11:04 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by buddapaw:

Having cap space means diddlysquat remember when JORDAN was a free agent we had the cap space then, we all know how that turned out. For years the Knicks have went away from developing their young players and always try to trade for the star player which we always pick the wrong one that never pans out, gets injured, is injured or turns to crap when they get here. Get the right coach to whip these bastards we have on the team in shape then go from there. Zach and Marbury I believe are both lost causes in the concept of team play so they must be shown the door. At least Curry will defer his play for the good of the team to a fault, we need that mofo to be aggressive at all times.

thank you. I think cap space as a goal to target a guy like Lebron is just a bad plan. Look at the history of the league and show me star aquired via FA that elevated his team to an elite status. I can come up with Shaq, and that was pre-current CBA, and everyone knew Shaq was going to LA. I have no problem working towards getting the roster more flexible and cap friendly but at such a cost where we are giving up good pieces. We all have our Curry disdain but he's a useful piece. He proved he can score close to 20pts a game at + 50% in 30 minutes all around the basket. He may not be a franchise center but post scorers dont grow on trees.

Much more realistic is stockpiling as many cap friendly contracts, picks and young players as possible and either develop a team or try a Boston type scenario in a couple years. Hopefully we get lucky enough to draft a guy like Rose. Then maybe in a 2 years suround him with Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Brad Miller and whatever other overpaid but usefull guy is out there. How would you feel if that was your team in 2 years. Sure some of those guys 30ish.. but you will be winning games (a lot I hope) have a young star and some good pieces to move around if need. All we need now is to win the lottery :)

I agree with that. I listed about 20 FAs in 2011 and 2012 (combined) who I thought would all be great possibilities but they should be players were adding to a core of two-way players who are reasonably paid and have trade value. That leaves us with the best options. If you're under the cap, you can do all sorts of great trades because you don't have to make the salaries match.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-25-2008 1:53 PM]
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4/25/2008  11:26 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by buddapaw:

Having cap space means diddlysquat remember when JORDAN was a free agent we had the cap space then, we all know how that turned out. For years the Knicks have went away from developing their young players and always try to trade for the star player which we always pick the wrong one that never pans out, gets injured, is injured or turns to crap when they get here. Get the right coach to whip these bastards we have on the team in shape then go from there. Zach and Marbury I believe are both lost causes in the concept of team play so they must be shown the door. At least Curry will defer his play for the good of the team to a fault, we need that mofo to be aggressive at all times.

thank you. I think cap space as a goal to target a guy like Lebron is just a bad plan. Look at the history of the league and show me star aquired via FA that elevated his team to an elite status. I can come up with Shaq, and that was pre-current CBA, and everyone knew Shaq was going to LA. I have no problem working towards getting the roster more flexible and cap friendly but at such a cost where we are giving up good pieces. We all have our Curry disdain but he's a useful piece. He proved he can score close to 20pts a game at + 50% in 30 minutes all around the basket. He may not be a franchise center but post scorers dont grow on trees.

Much more realistic is stockpiling as many cap friendly contracts, picks and young players as possible and either develop a team or try a Boston type scenario in a couple years. Hopefully we get lucky enough to draft a guy like Rose. Then maybe in a 2 years suround him with Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Brad Miller and whatever other overpaid but usefull guy is out there. How would you feel if that was your team in 2 years. Sure some of those guys 30ish.. but you will be winning games (a lot I hope) have a young star and some good pieces to move around if need. All we need now is to win the lottery :)



Fishmike---It's a cogent plan. Don't just look at the possible FA--consider we can take on ANY contract in the whole NBA if we are well under the cap possibly two. So not only does it set up for the FA candiidates --it's sets up for ANY player in the nBA--perhaps a star is disgruntled[look at Pau Gasol]---this is the way to go----IMHO get 2-3 draft picks this year 1-2 next year so we have a young core than is salary consitricted---Do what we can to rid ourselves[purge] these contracts that run over to 2010. Bring in a coach that is tough and discplined--not necessarily the greatest basketball coach but one that will set tough structure and hard habits for the players. Make EVERY player earn minutes--there are NO starters--tell a guy like Zach I dont want you shotting 18 footers and If you go against my word you will not be playing and you will be subject to fines/suspenios---Weneed you to play within 12 feet unless there is a desperate situation. Make sure guys like Balkman are working hard to improve --make sure they are accountable for their imporvement--or they wont be in the nBA.

It would be great if we had 4-5 young guys with a couple of vets and then bring in a young core star to finish it off with a few other pieces to puzzle it together.
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