Posted by GKFv2:

Isiah Thomas will be back as GM and trading draft picks for a 33 year old Ricky Davis in about 3 years. You can count on that.

Posted by Bobby:

does anyone know how much money is left on zeke's contract ?

Posted by PresIke:

isles and Blue -

I don't want to be coined the Isiah apologist here, because I am not defending his mistakes which we know are many.

I'm just asking if this is as bad as we are making it out to be in terms of actual harm to the future, or is it our own anger and desire for revenge as fans at a team that has been in a terrible situation for years, with which Isiah has become possibly the biggest lightning rod.

Dolan is paying him big bucks + good relationship with he and Walsh + looking to find some way for him to earn that salary given all of the promises Isiah's made to improve the team = Isiah stays in a lesser non decision making role.

"I value Isiah's knowledge of the game and his opinions, so I will use him as a resource. Isiah will be reporting to me. There will be nobody reporting to Isiah."

This may not help much, but I think that Isiah can offer something as a scout, consultant, whatever, to find a way to earn his pay. To me he is not a complete slouch in terms of b-ball, and if Walsh can tap into those strengths then good for him. If he doesn't like Isiah's view, then he doesn't have to agree. Differing opinions are good anyway when making decisions.

Isiah is not the sole individual responsible for our team's plight. He's a major figure and as GM/Prez/Coach he's done a lot of damage, but it's been cumulative and multi-partied in terms of who's responsible.

If the team keeps sucking then you all will be right, sure, but none of us will be any happier. I have some faith in Walsh and see/hear some distinctive differences in approach.

I'm sorry some are very disappointed. Can't say I blame you either. We've all clearly suffered and just want to feel that we are being heard. I do feel that there is very legit anger for feeling that some die hard fans are not being respected. I'm fortunate enough to not feel that way, but I can empathize as a Knick fan, for sure.

Let's just hope things work out for us all down the road with improvement and success.

[Edited by - PresIke on 04-18-2008 6:06 PM]

Posted by PresIke:

Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.

Posted by Cosmic:

I think 3yr, 18M has a lot to do with this of course.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by PresIke:

Is there room for discussion on this here? I know some are VERY upset (not even saying I'm not), and I'm not invalidating that feeling, but it also isn't necessarily fair to suggest that anyone who doesn't agree with that is is either Isiah 100% out or nothing is crazy or wrong.

Personally, this is what I expected from the get go, and think that it doesn't necessarily have to be as bad for the future of the team as folks are making it out to be. I'm quite sure there are those that will disagree, but some are making some grand leaps in assumptions here that we have ZERO insight into the goings on behind the scenes.

The reality is that Dolan is paying Isiah a lot of money. Is their relationship part of the deal? Sure could be, and wouldn't surprise me at all.

Simply because Walsh retains Isiah does not mean nothing will change. Did the term "cap flexibility" mean anything? What about all of the praise for other things we felt about Walsh before? Isiah is no longer the Coach, and Walsh is the President of Operations. Isiah may have a say in something for the team but he isn't the final decider.

To me, that's been the BIGGER problem and that he was coach.

I'm sure I'll be labeled and yelled at by folks, but sorry, I am not as stark raving mad as others.

Isiah is not in charge, and that's the bottom line for me.

Your actually gonna try to rationalize this and reason with the thinking behind the move?

dolan and isiah has one surviving fan left in NY.