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franco12
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4/17/2008  8:58 AM
If you want to bring in a new voice, someone that can grow with the team, then Ewing deserves a shot over Jackson. He's at least paid his dues and been around some very good coaches.

I'll be ok with Jackson. But, Ewing deserves a chance to be considered. As does Herb.
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4/17/2008  9:14 AM
The reason why i like Jax is that i saw this MSG special on him and he said that nothing gave him more satisfaction than making ppl around him better. I ****ing love that attitude, i think thats exactly what the team needs- to change the way our players see the game.

If he is not the best at X and 0, no biggie , we'll get him help. If Jackson can change our approach to the game i'll be real happy. If he gets hired it should be super fun watching him and Marbs, i know Crawfords game will change for the better, maybe Zbo's as well(maybe not). In any case i think its better than Carlisle or Skiles who will just bark at them guys until the cows come home.
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4/17/2008  9:41 AM
I have no problem with Jackson as head coach. He's a good basketball mind and he has 2 years, with zero expectations to win, to learn on the job. It's a good "think outside the box" hire, rather than going for any number of retreads.

Obviously, he's going to need to be surrounded by some very good X's and O's assistants but being the head coach is a lot more than just that. It's about managing players and their egos to get them to play together as a team. I think Mark can be good at that and become a very good coach. If not, then you hire someone in 2-3 years when victories become more important. As for Tom Thibodeau, I think he's an excellent basketball mind and has a great background as a defensive coach, but does he have the personality to be a head coach or is he the type of guy who is better off being an assistant. Personally, I think it's the latter.

I'd be behind the hiring of Mark Jackson. He can be similar to Byron Scott, Nate McMillan and Avery Johnson but with a little less of a hardcore mentality. I think that's the attitude you need in NY, especially during a total rebuild like this is going to be.

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4/17/2008  9:42 AM
It seems to me that too often it's assumed that a man has to have all this experience in order to coach a team. This whole bench thing is overrated. How many assistants are there in the league with BIGTIME experience? That doesn't qualify them as head coach material. There have been many instances where a player has gone on to be successful with very little coaching experience. It's not like a coach does it all alone these days.

I happen to think it's about being able to get thru to players and some guys are just better at doing it than others. More than that it's also true that you can't win without talent, so obviously the team has to be improved more than anything. This is the most obvious point being made here. That's not at issue. What is wrong tho with being happy about a guy who we know has great knowledge of the game and seems to have a great BB mind? The guy is all NY and a bit full of himself but he was never affected by the bright lights and big stage of NY. He seems totally comfortable and tailor made for this kind of job.
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4/17/2008  9:48 AM
Mark Jackson understands NY better than any of the other candidates. Don't underestimate that. That's going to be very important during this rebuild.

He's not a punk ass phony used car salesman from the west side of chicago, who's going to come in here and try to tell New Yorkers how it's done and how we haven't had anything to be proud about since 1973 so don't be mad at him if he sucks huge donkey dick.
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4/17/2008  10:02 AM
THe NY thing is not that important to me. Being from here either.

BUt if Donnie likes him and knows him then I'll go on that and hope for the best. He has a lot of positive attributes.

I'd like to see Patrick here also. The guy has hung in there as an assistant and is dedicated to the craft despite the fact he does not need the money. If they are willing to work hard not as ex rich athletes but as hungry young coaches then Im ok with it.

Carlisle and Skiles are like young Larry's and this team is not ready for that kind of kick ass coach.

I like that donnie will think outside the box than keep with retreads.

Risks have downside but there is upside also. Generally Point guards make great coaches. Not Isiah.
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4/17/2008  10:13 AM
if Ewing has a time to coach the Knicks this isnt it. He's also not the easiest guy to get along with. Mark JAckson strikes me as a little more user friendly
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4/17/2008  10:21 AM
I don't expect any coach to come in and miraculously make the knicks a contender

I hope we get an experienced coach ONLY to teach the lottery pick and others GOOD habits instead of the no practice, no accountability Zeke yrs.

I just think this mess is to great to also combine with a rookie coach, there's just too much that needs to be dealt with and why burden a rookie coach who needs to learn how to accomplish more straightforward goals?

As an assistant, yes please, combined with 2 or 3 old vets who themselves should be eligible for coaching positions, yes please. But as it is, no I don't think it's a wise move.

As for winning any games next season, last thing on my mind.

Practice, dedication, defensive effort and playing the young guys, that's what I hope/expect.
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4/17/2008  11:59 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

I don't expect any coach to come in and miraculously make the knicks a contender

I hope we get an experienced coach ONLY to teach the lottery pick and others GOOD habits instead of the no practice, no accountability Zeke yrs.

I just think this mess is to great to also combine with a rookie coach, there's just too much that needs to be dealt with and why burden a rookie coach who needs to learn how to accomplish more straightforward goals?

As an assistant, yes please, combined with 2 or 3 old vets who themselves should be eligible for coaching positions, yes please. But as it is, no I don't think it's a wise move.

As for winning any games next season, last thing on my mind.

Practice, dedication, defensive effort and playing the young guys, that's what I hope/expect.

I see what you are saying and its a good point. However don't you think that we are at such a low point that any progress would be big for us? Even if Jax can only get them to execute, stick to the plan, become slightly better teammates and improve their games even a little bit, all while learning to play the right way, even if it don't translate into many victories or .500 or above record, wouldn't that still be wonderful? I mean the expectations are so low it seems like a perfect chance for a rookie coach

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4/17/2008  12:25 PM
Marbury has got to go. He is probably the only guy on the team that would think he is Jacksons equal because they played in the league at the same time.
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4/17/2008  12:55 PM
Any progress, yes, we're at such a low point it's hard to get any lower

Would Jackson be able to reach the current players though while he's learning the job? Will Jackson be able to motivate these players even when we're halfway through the season and we're losing too many games?

I think with all the things that need to be changed in this organization, taking a chance on a smart yet inexperienced former player is not the way to go. No risks while we get other affairs in order or is that too much to ask?
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4/17/2008  12:56 PM
Sam Mitchell, the coach on atlanta, nate mcmillen.........those guys were new coaches that had great basketball minds, that grew as the talent grew. That's a beautiful thing.

Mark Jackson will be getting a team that has nothing. He would apply his philosophy for the next few years....yeah we'll lose, but we will get better. In 3 years the Knicks will be on the cusp of something real........

If Mark ends up as the coach this is the way it should be. Its gonna be sweet as hell to see this team grow from nothing to something.
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4/17/2008  1:12 PM
I hear Larry Brown might be looking to coach this year. He's a pretty good coach.
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nixluva
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4/17/2008  11:52 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Sam Mitchell, the coach on atlanta, nate mcmillen.........those guys were new coaches that had great basketball minds, that grew as the talent grew. That's a beautiful thing.

Mark Jackson will be getting a team that has nothing. He would apply his philosophy for the next few years....yeah we'll lose, but we will get better. In 3 years the Knicks will be on the cusp of something real........

If Mark ends up as the coach this is the way it should be. Its gonna be sweet as hell to see this team grow from nothing to something.

Exactly! There are a TON of experience coaches who haven't done JACK!!! To me the talent overrides experience. Mark strikes me as a guy who might just have that "it" factor. In my profession either you've got "it" or you don't. It's hard to teach some things. Often times some people just have the knack for getting results. I don't know if Mark is one of those guys, but I like his make up.
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4/18/2008  1:38 AM
Its no wonder that we are a terrible team. People are saying Ewing has paid his dues and deserves to be the coach. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS. He is a position to fail because of his career as a knick and cutting ties with someone like that is not going to be pretty. Larry Brown had a lot on his resume and was terrible here. Resume means nothing, respect, ability to teach and a knowledge of the game is what we are looking for in our next head coach.

PGs make good coaches, that generally is a fact, especially ones that don't possess all world talent and know how to get the most out of their abilities. Jackson commands respect, knows the game and knows the city. isiah was a ****ing idiot and got things strictly based on his playing career. he was smooth only because dolan is the dumbest owner in sports.

Let the guy grow with the team, remove the questionable pay check players and give the guy a shot. Let him hire ewing as an assistant, he is an articulate well spoken guy who would be good for the franchise restore credibility and more importantly never cut anothy mason's hair. Herb Williams are you guys serious.
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4/18/2008  10:56 AM
If you're going to have an inexperienced head coach, like Jackson, you're going to need some very experienced assistants. It's that simple. Ewing doesn't qualify but it doesn't mean that he can't be on the staff. Especially if they plan on keeping Curry or if they add another big man.
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4/18/2008  2:35 PM
MS - (cough) there have been some fairly decent former NBA "big men" (ie forwards) who were productive head coaches.

Phil Jackson - F

Don Nelson - F

Paul Silas - F

Bill Sharman - F

Don Nelson - F

Bill Russell - C

Al Attles - C/F

Then again, Willis Reed never quite could manage his frustration with players who could not do what he did. However, I dug when he stomped to get their attention you could hear it all the way up in the blue seats.
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