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4/15/2008  8:07 PM
Posted by playa2:

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Let me tell you a story about a kid from East St. Louis,my hometown named Darius Miles (nick named Dirty Miles cause his clothes were always dirty). He grew up in the worst rat infested projects you could ever imagine. His mom was dirt poor, ill and unemployed. He used to play pickup games in Lincoln Park for money and was for the most part unbeatable, a 6'9" linky kid with pg handles and a 7' footers wingspan and Dunking over everybody!

The catch, he wasn't the smartest kid, couldn't score high enough on his ACT to get into the right college program and believe it or not had nobody to direct him as to what to do.

Darius played at the 7up shoot out, a local tourney in St. Louis and dunked on so many other national top rated college prospects and McDonald all Americans when he was in the 11th grade! He had 47 points and 18 rebs in the championship game.

He was invited to the McDonald game his Senior year and put on another dribbling and dunkfest. He was approached by NBA scouts and it changed his life, his moms life and probably genarations of people in his family. FU*$ck college if you are good enough to make it to the pros.

D.Miles gift is basketball not General Studies which is what alot of NBA bound players major in.

I agree that some kids become better players in college, but if they are hard workers which can not be taught, they can achieve great success and develop in the NBA a la J.O'neal, Tmac, Kobe,Garnett,Mont Ellis Andrew Bynum, Rashard Lewis etc... all players who were raw talent their first couple years in the NBA and went on to be great players.

[Edited by - playa2 on 15-04-2008 12:18]

People need to go to college to simply build charachter and become adults if for nothing else. The last I checked the NBA isnt exactly known for character builing experiences. As it is these guys tend to be hotheads too full of themselves to care about anything else, and a little college would do them a world of good. Kobe has been in the NBA how many years? And this the first time he understood the concept of a team. There is a lot to being ahuman being than capitalizing on basketball skills please dont preach not going to college because of some sob story about Darius Miles. There are thousands of kids in situations like that working their asses of to get through college and make something out of their lives, what they dont need is to have rationale like this thrown at their faces.

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4/15/2008  8:42 PM
If you don't have the grades to make college why tell a kid he has to go to college just to fill the pockets of a university when after one yr you don't even get and education?
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4/15/2008  9:40 PM
From a fan's perspective, it's sad to see his career end so prematurely. So much potential unfufilled. His lifelong dream of being an NBA player is done.

The bright side for him, is that he's in a position we all wish we could be in. He gets an $18 million severance package. And how many of us wish we could retire before turning 30? The fact is now he has the resources to do anything he wants with his life, except play basketball.

If he's smart, he'll turn this into a positive for the rest of his life. And I'm sure he has a ton of stories to tell his kids and future grandkids about being a professional athlete.
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4/16/2008  1:32 AM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by playa2:

Boogieman(knickscity)

Let me tell you a story about a kid from East St. Louis,my hometown named Darius Miles (nick named Dirty Miles cause his clothes were always dirty). He grew up in the worst rat infested projects you could ever imagine. His mom was dirt poor, ill and unemployed. He used to play pickup games in Lincoln Park for money and was for the most part unbeatable, a 6'9" linky kid with pg handles and a 7' footers wingspan and Dunking over everybody!

The catch, he wasn't the smartest kid, couldn't score high enough on his ACT to get into the right college program and believe it or not had nobody to direct him as to what to do.

Darius played at the 7up shoot out, a local tourney in St. Louis and dunked on so many other national top rated college prospects and McDonald all Americans when he was in the 11th grade! He had 47 points and 18 rebs in the championship game.

He was invited to the McDonald game his Senior year and put on another dribbling and dunkfest. He was approached by NBA scouts and it changed his life, his moms life and probably genarations of people in his family. FU*$ck college if you are good enough to make it to the pros.

D.Miles gift is basketball not General Studies which is what alot of NBA bound players major in.

I agree that some kids become better players in college, but if they are hard workers which can not be taught, they can achieve great success and develop in the NBA a la J.O'neal, Tmac, Kobe,Garnett,Mont Ellis Andrew Bynum, Rashard Lewis etc... all players who were raw talent their first couple years in the NBA and went on to be great players.

[Edited by - playa2 on 15-04-2008 12:18]

Yes, this is an excellent view to have... if your sure your never going to get injured.

What does the view have to do with being injured? Every NBA career comes to an end. Question is will the person have the smarts/advise to invest the money and live wealthy for the rest of their lives or will it all just go down the toilet in a few years. If you have tens of millions of dollars and a brain guess what? You still don't need no stinkin college degree you can live off of interest which that money will make you for the rest of your life. And if the person can't understand that , my feeling is that they'd fail in college anyway- unless , of course, they major in General Studies, lol, even that might be too much for someone whose academic abilities are just not there.

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4/16/2008  1:35 AM
Darius Miles never cared about his career. He was always about the money. Did you see a picture of him last year? The guy gained like 80 lbs while out with this injury. He didn't even care about coming back. He took the money and is riding off into the sunset and I don't blame him.
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4/16/2008  5:16 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:
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Miles made a crapload of money & never lived up to his hype... why should any of us have any sympathy when he's probably lounging around on his yacht someplace sipping on crystal & bangin' bball groupies every other night?


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damn right i'm hatin'... the guy gets to bang hot chicks every night & i'm stuck posting on a freakin' Knicks message forum!
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4/16/2008  9:03 AM
Posted by playa2:

If you don't have the grades to make college why tell a kid he has to go to college just to fill the pockets of a university when after one yr you don't even get and education?

Good point about gaining experience and building character.

If you think its just about filling the university pockets with money than your missing the point.

Making a kid play two years is about the NBA making beter investments overall. Its good a kid can have a good year and be done but do it two years makes for a more solid player, and the kid should be compensated as well. I suggest NBA raise its rookie scale if the investment is overall more qualified!

Its all been said before. IF the Euro market is there, then the kids will go, but I doubt that happens. Also things can get a bit nasty as some of those clubs don't exactly have the best business ethics.

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4/16/2008  10:10 AM
What if he doesn't have the grades, then what.

The ole NCAA will just falsify some grades for him or allow him to take barbecue classes for eligibility. Give me a break!
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4/16/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by playa2:

What if he doesn't have the grades, then what.

The ole NCAA will just falsify some grades for him or allow him to take barbecue classes for eligibility. Give me a break!

I think then he does not get a full batchlers degree but somting less.

If he does not have the grades is it still not good to get him away from home, teach him somthing? Remdial work? Life experience? Even barbeque class is better than making 18-30k riding the bus in the D league!

How many kids actually get into the NBA? How many actually get a decent contract when they do?

Are we not taking advantage of some kids now to entice them into riches when it does not exist?

Im not worried about Darius Miles, he is set for life, but there are so many kids that don't make it, and then what? YEah, even if a kid who is a star in highschool goes 4 years to top 40 school and does not star can still get somting out of 4 years. If you gonna dream it up and play video games then thats just a shame. But a kid who realizes the NBA might not happen might engage the mind to achieve somthing.

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4/16/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by playa2:

What if he doesn't have the grades, then what.

The ole NCAA will just falsify some grades for him or allow him to take barbecue classes for eligibility. Give me a break!

I think then he does not get a full batchlers degree but somting less.

If he does not have the grades is it still not good to get him away from home, teach him somthing? Remdial work? Life experience? Even barbeque class is better than making 18-30k riding the bus in the D league!

How many kids actually get into the NBA? How many actually get a decent contract when they do?

Are we not taking advantage of some kids now to entice them into riches when it does not exist?

Im not worried about Darius Miles, he is set for life, but there are so many kids that don't make it, and then what? YEah, even if a kid who is a star in highschool goes 4 years to top 40 school and does not star can still get somting out of 4 years. If you gonna dream it up and play video games then thats just a shame. But a kid who realizes the NBA might not happen might engage the mind to achieve somthing.

Or they might be ready for the NBA mentally /physically but fail the classes, flunk out and ride the bus for 10k a year for the rest of their lives

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4/16/2008  3:37 PM
playa, problem solved:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/predraftcamp_08.html

only $500 for the dream. But if the kid can't read or write, he may not be able to fill out the application.
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4/16/2008  3:51 PM
So you think every nba-bound prospect would benefit from 2 years in college?

Do you mean as a player or as a person?
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4/16/2008  4:00 PM
Posted by martin:

playa, problem solved:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/predraftcamp_08.html

only $500 for the dream. But if the kid can't read or write, he may not be able to fill out the application.

Anybody can fill out his application for him, he won't get reprimanded from the university for that.

Martin I love this idea , but will this be implemented in many states around the country or just the state of Georgia?


How do you get kids to come cross country from a dirt poor background and come up with 500 dollars and air fare to get there for the dream.?


The camp roster is limited to 200 PLAYERS, therefore applicants are advised to submit completed applications by June 2.

That seems to me to be so few tryout spots wow.


[Edited by - playa2 on 16-04-2008 16:04]
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4/16/2008  11:25 PM
Posted by ramtour420:
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by playa2:

Boogieman(knickscity)

Let me tell you a story about a kid from East St. Louis,my hometown named Darius Miles (nick named Dirty Miles cause his clothes were always dirty). He grew up in the worst rat infested projects you could ever imagine. His mom was dirt poor, ill and unemployed. He used to play pickup games in Lincoln Park for money and was for the most part unbeatable, a 6'9" linky kid with pg handles and a 7' footers wingspan and Dunking over everybody!

The catch, he wasn't the smartest kid, couldn't score high enough on his ACT to get into the right college program and believe it or not had nobody to direct him as to what to do.

Darius played at the 7up shoot out, a local tourney in St. Louis and dunked on so many other national top rated college prospects and McDonald all Americans when he was in the 11th grade! He had 47 points and 18 rebs in the championship game.

He was invited to the McDonald game his Senior year and put on another dribbling and dunkfest. He was approached by NBA scouts and it changed his life, his moms life and probably genarations of people in his family. FU*$ck college if you are good enough to make it to the pros.

D.Miles gift is basketball not General Studies which is what alot of NBA bound players major in.

I agree that some kids become better players in college, but if they are hard workers which can not be taught, they can achieve great success and develop in the NBA a la J.O'neal, Tmac, Kobe,Garnett,Mont Ellis Andrew Bynum, Rashard Lewis etc... all players who were raw talent their first couple years in the NBA and went on to be great players.

[Edited by - playa2 on 15-04-2008 12:18]

Yes, this is an excellent view to have... if your sure your never going to get injured.

What does the view have to do with being injured? Every NBA career comes to an end. Question is will the person have the smarts/advise to invest the money and live wealthy for the rest of their lives or will it all just go down the toilet in a few years. If you have tens of millions of dollars and a brain guess what? You still don't need no stinkin college degree you can live off of interest which that money will make you for the rest of your life. And if the person can't understand that , my feeling is that they'd fail in college anyway- unless , of course, they major in General Studies, lol, even that might be too much for someone whose academic abilities are just not there.

"What does the view have to do with being injured?" What kind of question is this?? The earlier the player gets injured the less money he has to do something with after his basketball career. Yes all career's end sometime but their is a difference between the amount of money Karl Malone has to fall back on and the amount of money Darius Miles has to fall back on. Not only that but alot of these basketball players use personal financial advisors and dont mind their money. Some financial advisors that pad their own pockets with the players money. So "just living off the interest" is not necessarily the best way to go. Surely you have seen the article that was floating around here some few months ago about this very matter, right?
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4/17/2008  12:38 AM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by ramtour420:
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by playa2:

Boogieman(knickscity)

Let me tell you a story about a kid from East St. Louis,my hometown named Darius Miles (nick named Dirty Miles cause his clothes were always dirty). He grew up in the worst rat infested projects you could ever imagine. His mom was dirt poor, ill and unemployed. He used to play pickup games in Lincoln Park for money and was for the most part unbeatable, a 6'9" linky kid with pg handles and a 7' footers wingspan and Dunking over everybody!

The catch, he wasn't the smartest kid, couldn't score high enough on his ACT to get into the right college program and believe it or not had nobody to direct him as to what to do.

Darius played at the 7up shoot out, a local tourney in St. Louis and dunked on so many other national top rated college prospects and McDonald all Americans when he was in the 11th grade! He had 47 points and 18 rebs in the championship game.

He was invited to the McDonald game his Senior year and put on another dribbling and dunkfest. He was approached by NBA scouts and it changed his life, his moms life and probably genarations of people in his family. FU*$ck college if you are good enough to make it to the pros.

D.Miles gift is basketball not General Studies which is what alot of NBA bound players major in.

I agree that some kids become better players in college, but if they are hard workers which can not be taught, they can achieve great success and develop in the NBA a la J.O'neal, Tmac, Kobe,Garnett,Mont Ellis Andrew Bynum, Rashard Lewis etc... all players who were raw talent their first couple years in the NBA and went on to be great players.

[Edited by - playa2 on 15-04-2008 12:18]

Yes, this is an excellent view to have... if your sure your never going to get injured.

What does the view have to do with being injured? Every NBA career comes to an end. Question is will the person have the smarts/advise to invest the money and live wealthy for the rest of their lives or will it all just go down the toilet in a few years. If you have tens of millions of dollars and a brain guess what? You still don't need no stinkin college degree you can live off of interest which that money will make you for the rest of your life. And if the person can't understand that , my feeling is that they'd fail in college anyway- unless , of course, they major in General Studies, lol, even that might be too much for someone whose academic abilities are just not there.

"What does the view have to do with being injured?" What kind of question is this?? The earlier the player gets injured the less money he has to do something with after his basketball career. Yes all career's end sometime but their is a difference between the amount of money Karl Malone has to fall back on and the amount of money Darius Miles has to fall back on. Not only that but alot of these basketball players use personal financial advisors and dont mind their money. Some financial advisors that pad their own pockets with the players money. So "just living off the interest" is not necessarily the best way to go. Surely you have seen the article that was floating around here some few months ago about this very matter, right?

I missed the article, as for my question: being a hard worker ,having a serious dedication to the sport, being competitive and wanting to always give 100% in order to achive the most that one can - i think those things come from within a person's heart and have nothing to do with being able to study or having booksmarts or being able to complete college or earn a degree.

Now getting hurt or not is partially dependant on one's approach to the game(warmups, keeping in shape, etc) but still has mostly to do with chance, accident if you will. So given how i see those 2 things not related, i'll ask that question again : What does believing that to achive success in NBA a person doen't need academic abilities only athletic ones(if i understood playa2's view correctly) what does that have to do with chance of injury?
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4/17/2008  12:21 PM
http://www.mediatakeout.com/21738/study_60_of_nba_players_are_broke_after_5_years_of_retirement.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7239948
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4/17/2008  1:34 PM
One thing I have looked at is many of the neighborhoods these kids come from the percentage of them being incarcerated or dead by the age of 25 is very high.

Some of these cats grew up thinking they would never live see 25 yrs of age, so planning for life beyond that was a mute point to them.

We really as fans don't don't know how much these players really bring home after taxes.

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