Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait what is the point of listing the Roy, Foye, Aldridge draft>? You compare that to Lee's own draft class with Deron Williams, Danny Granger, Chris Paul, Marvin Willams, Andrew Bogut, Klieza. Look some drafts are crappy, some are okay, and some are great. David Lee isn't some superstar he is average player on a very bad team so this organization would be foolish not to listen to every offer that comes their way. If you could move David Lee along with one of our crappy contracts for a mid first rounder and a shorter contract I say do it.

I agree and Zach is the first one of the crappy contracts I'd look to move. It's a shame that we have to lose a nice young player like Lee just to get rid of Zach or Eddy.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait what is the point of listing the Roy, Foye, Aldridge draft>? You compare that to Lee's own draft class with Deron Williams, Danny Granger, Chris Paul, Marvin Willams, Andrew Bogut, Klieza. Look some drafts are crappy, some are okay, and some are great. David Lee isn't some superstar he is average player on a very bad team so this organization would be foolish not to listen to every offer that comes their way. If you could move David Lee along with one of our crappy contracts for a mid first rounder and a shorter contract I say do it.

I agree and Zach is the first one of the crappy contracts I'd look to move. It's a shame that we have to lose a nice young player like Lee just to get rid of Zach or Eddy.

Who cares at this point this team clearly needs to go back to the drawing board. So I could care less if no one from this roster remains.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait what is the point of listing the Roy, Foye, Aldridge draft>? You compare that to Lee's own draft class with Deron Williams, Danny Granger, Chris Paul, Marvin Willams, Andrew Bogut, Klieza. Look some drafts are crappy, some are okay, and some are great. David Lee isn't some superstar he is average player on a very bad team so this organization would be foolish not to listen to every offer that comes their way. If you could move David Lee along with one of our crappy contracts for a mid first rounder and a shorter contract I say do it.

I agree and Zach is the first one of the crappy contracts I'd look to move. It's a shame that we have to lose a nice young player like Lee just to get rid of Zach or Eddy.

Who cares at this point this team clearly needs to go back to the drawing board. So I could care less if no one from this roster remains.

Whether it turned out as a solid 6th man or a starter, Lee would have been a very nice player to keep in the long-term picture had it not been for Zach and Eddy. The team needs to start all over but if they get rid of Lee they'll just have more needs to address: Good rebounding and hustle and excellent efficiency on offense. It just sets the rebuilding back a little further.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-14-2008 11:10 AM]

Posted by tkf:

Posted by fishmike:

what pick? #2? Maybe then.. who wants to trade Lee for a pick? I dont *want* to trade Lee at all, but am willing to part if it helps us gut this core. If you package Lee w/ Zach for a big expiring contract and a pick back then OK

How about Lee and Zach for Vince Carter and pick #10??? I would do that
How about then sending Curry to Phili for Dalembert? maybe include a #1 we buy for cash later?

moves moves gut gut

that is a decent plan.. vince can be a stop gap at SG with jamal off the bench.... the top 10 pick would be nice...

It is a shame we may have to use lee to get rid of the mess that Isiah has saddled us with.. just a shame.... I don't want to get rid of lee, but how else do we dump curry, zach, And Q?

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Wait what is the point of listing the Roy, Foye, Aldridge draft>? You compare that to Lee's own draft class with Deron Williams, Danny Granger, Chris Paul, Marvin Willams, Andrew Bogut, Klieza. Look some drafts are crappy, some are okay, and some are great. David Lee isn't some superstar he is average player on a very bad team so this organization would be foolish not to listen to every offer that comes their way. If you could move David Lee along with one of our crappy contracts for a mid first rounder and a shorter contract I say do it.

I agree and Zach is the first one of the crappy contracts I'd look to move. It's a shame that we have to lose a nice young player like Lee just to get rid of Zach or Eddy.

Who cares at this point this team clearly needs to go back to the drawing board. So I could care less if no one from this roster remains.

Whether it turned out as a solid 6th man or a starter, Lee would have been a very nice player to keep in the long-term picture had it not been for Zach and Eddy. The team needs to start all over but if they get rid of Lee they'll just have more needs to address: Good rebounding and hustle and excellent efficiency on offense. It just sets the rebuilding back a little further.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-14-2008 11:10 AM]

We're still singing this story yes Lee is a nice player but its not the end of the world if he is not wearing a Knick's uniform come this time next year or two years down the road. His services aren't that uncommon if you look closely enough.

Posted by fishmike:

you know.. the Lee situation is very similar to what we had with Kurt Thomas a few years ago. Yes.. Lee is younger and could be a part of something for many years to come, where as Kurt was 30ish, but the issue was the same. Kurt was a double double guy on a team with no frontcourt. Kurt played hard on both end and was a good soldier. Problem was we needed far more than anything Kurt was going to bring. So the question was do you take a step back and hopefully two steps forward?

Resigning Lee would give us a 12/10 52% plus player for the next 8 years. Is Lee a championship piece? Or are we better served using him to get rid of Zach and possible getting a decent pick back?

I would like to see us offer Zach/Lee for Vince Carter and pick #10 and see where that goes. I think we could later move Vince for an expiring contract to a team thats "one player away." I think gutting this mess is job one, that means saying good bye to Zach ,Eddy, JJ, Marbury first and formost. If Lee is a casualty of the purging process thems the breaks.

Posted by Ira:

One thing we have to consider. Good teams have players like Lee, who play smart and hard, don't need the ball and do the dirty work. He'll never be a star and we certainly do need a star - maybe two. But is trading Lee going to get us a star? I doubt it.

Posted by bitty41:

Bonn,

How can losing any of these players be a set back when the Knicks are already one of the worst teams in the league? If we lost Lee we might end up with 18 wins as opposed to 23 wins? Of course I'm not saying throwing him away just for nothing but if a attractive offer came across the table then Lee is very much expendable in imo. Like everyone else on this godforsaken team. Every last one of them I could care less about them being here come October. Some I want gone more then others but I hold no special affinity for anyone on this roster. There is no one that has shown thus far themselves to be keepers.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bitty41:

Bonn,

How can losing any of these players be a set back when the Knicks are already one of the worst teams in the league? If we lost Lee we might end up with 18 wins as opposed to 23 wins?

I think you answered your own question. If a guy is young, has the right attitude, and is helping the team, then losing him by definition is a set back. You're putting the team in a worse position than it was with the player. I think you have the mistaken belief that if a team sucks, it means you must keep zero players. With that belief, you'd be getting rid of all 15 players annually and you'd never get anywhere. If we win, say, 28 games next year, do we get rid of all 15 players again (including whoever we draft this off-season)?

Que? Its pretty silly to think that because a team has a terrible record then you unload every single player at any cost. No that is not what I am saying just so we're clear.

But I think your putting too much thought process into this Bon Bon. Also it really isn't necessary to attempt to make my comment to fit your extreme interpretation.

Its really simple if a good deal comes along you don't hold up on it because the other team wants David Lee or anybody else on this roster. You listen and hopefully the trade can either unload one of the atrocious contracts we currently have on the payroll or at the very least bring in a player that fills a need. Because like I said no one on this roster has proven themselves and thus should be seen as expendable.

DLee does fill a need. Question is if we trade him do we fill another, more glaring need (PG, real center) or do we trade him for someone who will be an upgrade but not pg or center.

are we in a position to make that gamble?