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Your patience time frame with Walsh?
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Cosmic
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Remember, the team is in a very bad situation, it could conceivably take two to three years to become a solid team once again. There's the off chance that a quick fix trade might return us to respectability (such as .500 and a playoff birth) as well but I wouldn't count on that personally. So, the question begs, how much time do you give Walsh to not just implement a plan of change but --- for you to have to SEE tangible results - even if those results are a well laid out plan that's full steam ahead? (meaning, we might be mediocre, but you can see the progress and see the finished product on the horizon). Also take note, choices 2, 3, 4 are predicated on the idea that we have talent and just need to re-work the roster. Choices 5, 6, 7, 8 are predicated on the idea we have to tear it down and rebuild --- so of course your patience will stretch far into the future given how long it will take to do that.
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islesfan
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4/12/2008  12:17 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by islesfan:


For you geniuses like Cosmic, that's 4 years.

Since you're infatuated with my ass can you lick my hemorrhoids clean while you're back there?

Just in case you're wondering...I'm here to talk sports not argue with thickheaded scumbags like yourself who have personal agendas so don't expect to get replied to anymore.

Typical, you completely ignore the fact that I'm willing to give Donnie even more time than any of the choices in your poll. So much for your "attacking Donnie Walsh" BS. That's ok, you still have your baseless generalizations to hold near and dear to.
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4/12/2008  1:36 PM
None of the above, because the criteria doesn't fit. I am fine with him getting leeway to work *IF-AND-ONLY-IF* we continually show progress in moving in the right direction. In other words:

a) Moving towards being under the cap.
b) Shedding the bad-personality me-first type players.
c) Shedding the lazy players.
d) Getting players with leadership qualities.
e) Getting players who make their teammates better.
f) Not settling.

As long as we stay on this path, I can suffer through some losing seasons before I call for his head. One or two Isiah-like moves, though, and I'll be calling for his head early.

Edit: I just noticed islesfan's post. I guess I'd say roughly the same as far as timeline, about 4 years, if he hasn't done anything to doom that early. If he appears to have done all the right things, but things aren't looking on the up and up by then, then I'll be calling for his head.

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 12 2008 1:39 PM]
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11/11/2009  8:31 AM
*bump*

Just checkin' in that's all.

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11/11/2009  8:57 AM
I think he has done a good job acquiring expirings. I am concerned about his decisions that will impact the franchise longterm and define his tenure here. I think the D'Antoni hire, and the Gallo/Hill picks are where he needed to hit a home run up to this point and I don't think he did that.
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11/11/2009  9:06 AM
we could be playing a little better at the moment, but overall i am satisfiedd... the plan is still with us, gallo is showing glimpses of all-star talent, marbury is gone. it's cool
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11/11/2009  9:18 AM
Basically, this summer is the make or break summer. The dude made us sit through what will be 2 tough years all for glorious cap space. He needs to actually use it wisely (or not use it wisely depending on the situation). We have no first round pick, so Walsh needs to score homeruns with our two second round picks.

If Walsh can (a) trade Curry or Jeffries to allow us to sign two max players; and (b) draft at least one solid prospect (potential future starter) with one of our two second round picks, then I would have to say he did a solid job.

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11/11/2009  10:08 AM
we gave layden and isiah enough time to indisputably prove themselves incompetent. why not give walsh the same? he hasn't really made a jared jefferies/eddy curry/frederic weis move yet.
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11/11/2009  10:13 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:we gave layden and isiah enough time to indisputably prove themselves incompetent. why not give walsh the same? he hasn't really made a jared jefferies/eddy curry/frederic weis move yet.

word up! what is overlooked is the things Donnie DIDN'T DO, namely:

-no stupid taking on of stupid contracts for stupid players
-no stupid giving away valuable assets like first round picks
-no stupid drama playing out in the media
etc.,

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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11/11/2009  10:24 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
word up! what is overlooked is the things Donnie DIDN'T DO, namely:

-no stupid taking on of stupid contracts for stupid players
-no stupid giving away valuable assets like first round picks
-no stupid drama playing out in the media
etc.,

I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

oohah

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11/11/2009  10:24 AM
oohah wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
word up! what is overlooked is the things Donnie DIDN'T DO, namely:

-no stupid taking on of stupid contracts for stupid players
-no stupid giving away valuable assets like first round picks
-no stupid drama playing out in the media
etc.,

I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

oohah

lol. marbury? well that was residue.

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11/11/2009  11:21 AM
I don't think Walsh will do anything. I think he probably said to himself--let me come in and get rid of salary--let the draft staff do their thing and play an ultra -conservative position--i.e not trading Jefferies with Nate not trading Lee not trading Chandler for pick 5.
Even if we stink it's easy to say 2010 every time he is questioned. So basically this was a free ride
and what is --is what is. His contract runs 3 years I think--just enough time to get the team to FA without question and enough time to slip out the backdoor whether or not we end up OK. Hey it was an awesome job for him to take--there really was no downside to take a 3 year contract here at that point. He will accomplish getting us to FA and purging the roster and that will be a + no matter what way you look at it---it's easy money to retire with.
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11/11/2009  11:54 AM
THAT'S very cynical of you, mr. briggs
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11/11/2009  3:14 PM
i think he's implemented a plan like i asked & hasn't taken on any more bad contracts... the results in terms of wins & losses needs to be tangible by next season for me.
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11/11/2009  4:05 PM
TMS wrote:i think he's implemented a plan like i asked & hasn't taken on any more bad contracts... the results in terms of wins & losses needs to be tangible by next season for me.

I'm the same. I think 2 years to tear it down is a fair amount of time. I understand he still has Curry and Jeffries on the books so the the job is not complete, but next year with all the 1 year contracts, salary cap space and young guys we should start to see some forward progress. If not, he should really start feeling the heat. Either way, if you fire him today, we are still moving in the right direction. A new GM would be in a much better situation than Walsh was coming in.

I would love to be in a situation where our roster is made up like Houston(only with a couple uninjured stars) with a bunch of young, hungry guys who don't see themselves as stars that deserve 10-12 million dollar contracts for losing, but only want to win.

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11/11/2009  4:22 PM
Trading Jeffries (throwing Curry out) is almost more important than what we can have here as building blocks. To me, Jeffries is more of a negative than Chandler or Gallo or Hill is a positive, and everyone knows that I hold Chandler in high regard.

So, if I'm Donnie, I would package anything we currently have in order to get Jeffries out of there.

The reason is this...

Trying to convince LeBron or one of the other guys that they can come here and win with our prospects is what? I'd say a 15% chance.

If you are asking him to come here and win with another Max guy and neither one needs to take a penny less than the Max... now I think that's better than a 50% chance that you get it done.

If Jeffries is the key to that, then you do whatever you have to in order to get him out the door.

His trade kicker is the obstacle to that. He's not just overpaid, he's highly overpaid by the time another team takes him on.

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