Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Billy Packer said during their game with Arkansas out of all the top guards he saw this season and he got a chance to see every one of them, Gordon was clearly the most explosive and best penetrating guard in Div 1 basketball.

As far as the number 1 pick Beasley is by far still number 1 IMO. If Mayo was playing right now and Memphis wasn't we'd be all over his nuts. This tournament hasn't influenced me one bit as far as the top talents throughout the season. I will say it has made me give stronger consideration to the lesser touted players such as Billy Walker, D.J. White, Collison, Love, Westbrook, Arthur, Rush, CDR, and Dorsey.

Oh and Briggs has been all over the place with his scouting of players.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-04-2008 3:19 PM]

I still like mayo and I think he is going to be a better player in the pros than in college.. this guy has star potential...

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Billy Packer said during their game with Arkansas out of all the top guards he saw this season and he got a chance to see every one of them, Gordon was clearly the most explosive and best penetrating guard in Div 1 basketball.

As far as the number 1 pick Beasley is by far still number 1 IMO. If Mayo was playing right now and Memphis wasn't we'd be all over his nuts. This tournament hasn't influenced me one bit as far as the top talents throughout the season. I will say it has made me give stronger consideration to the lesser touted players such as Billy Walker, D.J. White, Collison, Love, Westbrook, Arthur, Rush, CDR, and Dorsey.

Oh and Briggs has been all over the place with his scouting of players.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-04-2008 3:19 PM]

I still like mayo and I think he is going to be a better player in the pros than in college.. this guy has star potential...

I would say after Rose that OJ Mayo and CDR are close. I have 0 interest in Gordon.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BigSm00th:

"if Mayo was playing right now and Memphis wasn't we'd be all over his nuts." -- well he's not playing right now, hence we aren't all over his nuts.

i really didn't like what i saw from gordon this year, he did not impress me.

if you rely on youtube highlights and don't watch games, just keep in mind that your opinion of players will be biased. not watching players in the context of the game, its basically impossible to make a judgment on how good a guy is.

I saw Gordon play twice this yr and Rose play 3 times on television, Mayo and Beasley in person. Beasley is by far better than all of them. Heck Billy Walker gives the others a serious run for their money that guy will be a diamond in the rough if he declares and gets picked. I'm agreeing with Pres with how this tournament is affecting perception of talents. Rose has pretty much performed the same he has all yr. He had an impressive game against Texas... well ok, but overall he's doing nothing above and beyond what he's done all yr but because he's still playing he looks more studly. Now a player who has elevated his game late in the yr and in the tourney is CDR. Is anybody shooting their Wad over him? Memphis has lost 1, they have a great team. Put Mayo, Augustin, Collison, Westbrook in place of Rose, Memphis won't miss a beat. It shouldn't surprise anyone Memphis is one of the last 4 teams standing. If it's about who's playing now as Pres stated, should NBA teams give strong consideration to picking Hansborough over Beasley?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BigSm00th:

"if Mayo was playing right now and Memphis wasn't we'd be all over his nuts." -- well he's not playing right now, hence we aren't all over his nuts.

i really didn't like what i saw from gordon this year, he did not impress me.

if you rely on youtube highlights and don't watch games, just keep in mind that your opinion of players will be biased. not watching players in the context of the game, its basically impossible to make a judgment on how good a guy is.

I saw Gordon play twice this yr and Rose play 3 times on television, Mayo and Beasley in person. Beasley is by far better than all of them. Heck Billy Walker gives the others a serious run for their money that guy will be a diamond in the rough if he declares and gets picked. I'm agreeing with Pres with how this tournament is affecting perception of talents. Rose has pretty much performed the same he has all yr. He had an impressive game against Texas... well ok, but overall he's doing nothing above and beyond what he's done all yr but because he's still playing he looks more studly. Now a player who has elevated his game late in the yr and in the tourney is CDR. Is anybody shooting their Wad over him? Memphis has lost 1, they have a great team. Put Mayo, Augustin, Collison, Westbrook in place of Rose, Memphis won't miss a beat. It shouldn't surprise anyone Memphis is one of the last 4 teams standing. If it's about who's playing now as Pres stated, should NBA teams give strong consideration to picking Hansborough over Beasley?

I saw them all play multiple times. the guy i want is Rose. he has that special something extra to his game. beasley might have it, or he might be just overpowering weaker opposition. I don't think that's the case with Rose, he just blows by the best guards in the NCAAs and he jumps through the roof and he's poised. Beasley didn't impress me in big games - maybe it's because everytime I watched him play, he lost.

This is what I'm talking about. You can't let wins and losses on the collegiate level affect the way you view a players talents, and abilities. So if you would have watched him win then your opinion changes? Memphis plays in one of the weakest conferences in all of Div 1 basketball, obviously Rose stood great chances to dominate inferior competition. Out of 33gms played on the season Beasley double doubled in 28 of them. He grabbed over 20reb 2 times, score over 40pts 3 times and over 30pts 6 times, shot 38% from 3pts range.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by purple012870:

Rose is a pass first PG, not a "gotta get mine" PG. Rose is also a good kid, not a self concerned ***hole.

I disagree his assist numbers and turnovers would reflect this statement above. Memphis is an extremely deep team and Rose does plenty ball handling, therefore his assist numbers should be higher and turnovers should be lower. Rose doesn't have the mentality of "gotta get mine" because he isn't what you call a selfish player. He's actually too unselfish in many respects but he demonstrates the natural tendencies to set himself up vs a teammate. His offensive game is way ahead of his point guard game. Also Rose isn't that good of a ball handler. I feel Rose will be a better 2 guard than point guard in the NBA. I feel it's going to take him about 3yrs to learn the NBA point position. Honestly when you think about it, is Rose anymore gifted than say Nate who's jumper was and is light yrs ahead of Rose's?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-04-2008 3:48 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by purple012870:

Rose is a pass first PG, not a "gotta get mine" PG. Rose is also a good kid, not a self concerned ***hole.

I disagree his assist numbers and turnovers would reflect this statement above. Memphis is an extremely deep team and Rose does plenty ball handling, therefore his assist numbers should be higher and turnovers should be lower. Rose doesn't have the mentality of "gotta get mine" because he isn't what you call a selfish player. He's actually too unselfish in many respects but he demonstrates the natural tendencies to set himself up vs a teammate. His offensive game is way ahead of his point guard game. Also Rose isn't that good of a ball handler. I feel Rose will be a better 2 guard than point guard in the NBA. I feel it's going to take him about 3yrs to learn the NBA point position. Honestly when you think about it, is Rose anymore gifted than say Nate who's jumper was and is light yrs ahead of Rose's?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-04-2008 3:48 PM]

Dude, I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong. Forget about his stats during the regular season when Memphis ran all over opponents and took whatever shot they could take.

Look at this Tourney stats: 20.5ppg/6assists/6rebounds

Derrick Rose is a Point-Guard in every sense of the term. He can bring the ball up the court at various levels (fast-paced, slow it down) he can thread the needle on a pass, he can throw the ball down low, he can find his teammates who are scorers and he D's up opposing PG's extremely well. Not to mention what he himself can do with the ball, which is get to the rack and his jumpshot has improved in both consistency and length as the season has went on.

The dude is a PG.

Posted by crzymdups:

to me, you can't look past the fact that rose has carried the load, along with CDR, on a team that is 37-1 all season long as a freshman. he's had a few bumps, but come up huge when needed. he's a big-time player. there are other good players, but that takes nothing away from DRose.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by crzymdups:

to me, you can't look past the fact that rose has carried the load, along with CDR, on a team that is 37-1 all season long as a freshman. he's had a few bumps, but come up huge when needed. he's a big-time player. there are other good players, but that takes nothing away from DRose.

I'm not knocking how big time of a player he is, I just don't think he's a NBA franchise caliber point guard. I like him at the 2guard spot better, although a little undersized.