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i wouldn't be surprised if we move marbury for jermaine
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Ira
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4/2/2008  6:19 PM
I agree with Bonn's point. Jermaine is a quick fix, but not part of the future - which isn't now. Also, from Indiana's point of view, they're giving up their best player - who still is very good, when healthy. They can probably get a draft pick and a young player as part of the package they receiver.

In short, this doesn't seem like it will work for either side. Both teams are rebuilding and need the same things - good young players and draft picks.
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4/2/2008  6:29 PM
Indiana is further along than the Knicks. They have dealt with injuries and are in need of a real power fwd and point guard.........I think they are finished with Jermaine......the chance to dump money like that a year early is golden. Besides, jermaine is not gonna get what KG got for minny.

The Knicks get a tougher inside guy. If Jermaine can come in healthy which is a good chance......that alone is an upgrade. He brings the pain every night. He adds balls to the Knicks post play. The Culture would change. That type of play fits some of the guys we have here. For 2 years it could work.

Its not the end all. Donnie will still be molding guys around and building the team. Sticking with what works and changing what doesn't has been the motto for Donnies entire career.
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4/2/2008  6:36 PM
Indiana has all but fazed out Jermaine. They shut him down this year and by tradiing for Murphy? Yeah man....that's done for. Indiana is looking to move on from Jermaine. Bring in Marbs?.....poof, vamoose, s.o.b.

Dare I say it but Marbs could florish in hick town for a year. Gasp! Drive and pop....nobody goes to the hole like Marbs does in Indiana.......just throwing that out there, lol.
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4/2/2008  9:46 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

helps out indy
helps out ny
and still keeps flexibility down the road...

i think that's trade #1...

We need a total rebuild. Tear this team down smartly and rebuild it for the future. Just say no to O'Neal. He is always hurt and will soon be entering his 30s, which likely is not going to improve his ability to stay healthy. Now an O' Neal for Randolph trade, I would do. But O' Neal for an expiring contract, we should pass.
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4/3/2008  7:24 AM
By the time we're ready to compete for anything meaningful JO will be retired anyway.
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4/3/2008  11:02 AM
i think some of you are missing the point. having a total rebuild doesn't mean just strip away guys without bringing in temporary replacements.

you can tear a team down but still bring in short term veteran contracts.

bringing in jermaine o'neal in no way deters rebuilding. we have no shot to get under the cap before 2010. so why not move one malcontent who's done a huge part in creating this terrible atmosphere for a professional that can help in the beginning stages of the healing process? i thinking bringing in a guy like o'neal helps rebulding.

he would be a total stop gap player. it takes time to change things and you can't expect to hit a homerun on every deal. would it be nice to dump zach for o'neal, sure, but the chances of that happening are really slim.

heck, zach has skills but is a dunderhead. but what if we brought in o'neal and kurt thomas again to sort of be mentors to him. that could help him.

it's gonna take a long time to change things up here...baby steps...
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4/3/2008  11:05 AM
We don't get anything good *long-term* out of the deal and on the negative side, we likely get a significantly worse draft pick. That's how I view the trade. I'd rather buyout Marbury, be REALLY bad next year, and get a very high draft pick. I don't mind bringing in veterans to mold the young players, but I'd rather they be just role player veterans with the right attitude who aren't going to push us to around the 10th draft pick. A guy like JYD in his prime is what I'd look for.
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4/3/2008  12:09 PM
I agree with you dj. I think this is definitely something Walsh would do.

From our standpoint, it also makes a ton of sense. Walsh is going to try to make this team competitive in the next couple of seasons while still having that flexibility for the 2010 FA class. We aren't going to just tear it down and be bad for 3 seasons, we've already been bad for awhile. Walsh is going to try to make this team better with the hope that after 3 seasons, we have a shot at making this team elite.

We have a lot of frontcourt guys, but I don't anticipate us keeping all of them. Jermaine would help us out a lot if he could stay on the floor.

[Edited by - s3231 on 04-03-2008 12:11 PM]
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4/3/2008  12:19 PM
If you're going to buy anybody out, the only player it makes sense to do is is Marbury b/c he's basically dead weight on this team, yet his contract expires. And Bonn is right. While Jermaine would be a good mentor to the Zach Randolphs and Curry's of the world, you gotto remember that Aguire and Herb and Isiah were also supposed to be good mentors. You can bring in all the great mentors of the world and then Jesus Christ himself, but that doesn't mean Zach's gonna change his style of play or his attitude towards the team. Same with Eddie.

I think Jermaine would keep us competitive and make us look good, but Bonn is right, he doesn't take us THAT far, and since he'd be on and off the court with injuries so much (Especially with our questionable med staff), we'd be mediocre at best.

I say buyout Marbury and Jerome (He's dead weight and his contract will be done by the target year anyway) and for the next year or so, especially this Summer, do whatever it takes possible to get rid of Zach, Q and Curry for rebuilding pieces. I'm sure something can be done. I don't know how or who or for what or when, but I'm sure we can get some sucker to bite.
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4/3/2008  12:37 PM
I'm back and forth with this deal. I like Jermaine, but he's always injured, also, theres no way I want this trade going through, if there isn't another trade in the works that ships Zeddy out of town.
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4/3/2008  12:46 PM
Crawford and Eddy for Jermaine is a good deal in my book i would do that in a heartbeat, who cares who injured the guy is as long as the contract expires before 2010. There is something to say for playoff experience and if Jermaine gets it going and is healthy you can always move him because he would have value if not its a wash so who cares.
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4/3/2008  12:55 PM
Eddie or Zach for Jermaine is good b/c you wont get much better for them, and he'd be a rebuilding chip because he expires sooner. But Marbury should just be bought out.
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4/3/2008  1:34 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

If you're going to buy anybody out, the only player it makes sense to do is is Marbury b/c he's basically dead weight on this team, yet his contract expires. And Bonn is right. While Jermaine would be a good mentor to the Zach Randolphs and Curry's of the world, you gotto remember that Aguire and Herb and Isiah were also supposed to be good mentors. You can bring in all the great mentors of the world and then Jesus Christ himself, but that doesn't mean Zach's gonna change his style of play or his attitude towards the team. Same with Eddie.


I disagree. JC might not have been the tallest on his team, but he knew how to play big.
He can teach Zach and Curry footwork (walking on water), taking the charge (turning the other cheek),
keeping their opponents off balance (turning water to wine), and getting some good assists (raising teammates from the dead).
Also, great leadership skills.
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4/3/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

If you're going to buy anybody out, the only player it makes sense to do is is Marbury b/c he's basically dead weight on this team, yet his contract expires. And Bonn is right. While Jermaine would be a good mentor to the Zach Randolphs and Curry's of the world, you gotto remember that Aguire and Herb and Isiah were also supposed to be good mentors. You can bring in all the great mentors of the world and then Jesus Christ himself, but that doesn't mean Zach's gonna change his style of play or his attitude towards the team. Same with Eddie.

I think Jermaine would keep us competitive and make us look good, but Bonn is right, he doesn't take us THAT far, and since he'd be on and off the court with injuries so much (Especially with our questionable med staff), we'd be mediocre at best.

I say buyout Marbury and Jerome (He's dead weight and his contract will be done by the target year anyway) and for the next year or so, especially this Summer, do whatever it takes possible to get rid of Zach, Q and Curry for rebuilding pieces. I'm sure something can be done. I don't know how or who or for what or when, but I'm sure we can get some sucker to bite.
And even if hypothetically JO was a better teacher for Eddy and Zach than Aguire is, it doesn't matter b/c we shouldn't be wasting our time try to teach those two. They're not part of our team's future. I definitely agree with you about Bonn being right!
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4/3/2008  4:40 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Allanfan20:

If you're going to buy anybody out, the only player it makes sense to do is is Marbury b/c he's basically dead weight on this team, yet his contract expires. And Bonn is right. While Jermaine would be a good mentor to the Zach Randolphs and Curry's of the world, you gotto remember that Aguire and Herb and Isiah were also supposed to be good mentors. You can bring in all the great mentors of the world and then Jesus Christ himself, but that doesn't mean Zach's gonna change his style of play or his attitude towards the team. Same with Eddie.


I disagree. JC might not have been the tallest on his team, but he knew how to play big.
He can teach Zach and Curry footwork (walking on water), taking the charge (turning the other cheek),
keeping their opponents off balance (turning water to wine), and getting some good assists (raising teammates from the dead).
Also, great leadership skills.


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4/4/2008  3:19 AM
seems like a lot more of you are open to the idea of trading for JO than you were earlier in the season when we discussed the trade proposals.
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4/4/2008  3:55 AM
I am not. Not of course we are trading Curry or Randolph for him, which they would not do.

Trading Marbury for O'Neal accomplishes nothing for me. I don't care if O'Neal only runs one more year than Marbury, I want to start cutting salary from now.
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