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GKFv2
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4/1/2008  2:55 PM
LOL at taking on the gargantuan contract of Martin for an expiring contract and trading our only real value for Jr Smith. That is an Isiah move if I ever saw one.
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4/1/2008  3:04 PM
not a bad idea to bring in jr smith and a 14th pick
but giving them cap room is not a good idea

if we were sending qbrick james lee and nate
i wouldn't mind
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4/1/2008  3:12 PM
After thinking about it--this is a pretty good darn trade. We bring such lacking toughness with Kenyon[who has played more games this year then many prominent max player big guys] we get a true up and comer in JR Smith and I think he's way past the younger years[toxic personality a little strong for sucha young guy] I havent heard a negative peep out of him for a long time. Guys do grow up and his BASKETBALL upisde is HUGE and he's already good.

If Im going to have to pay Nate 4-5 Lee 8-10 wouldnt I rather have Kenyon for less years JR for similar $ to Nate and the 14th pick to go along with a top pick?

On the oither side---this reduces Denver's payroll tremendously and I think Nate and Lee are made for it--the cost of the pick=taking on contract but this is not bad contract as long as Kenyon plays like he is now. Mcdyess was able to do it.
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4/1/2008  3:18 PM
this is a great trade just cuz we get another pick
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4/1/2008  3:20 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

After thinking about it--this is a pretty good darn trade. We bring such lacking toughness with Kenyon[who has played more games this year then many prominent max player big guys] we get a true up and comer in JR Smith and I think he's way past the younger years[toxic personality a little strong for sucha young guy] I havent heard a negative peep out of him for a long time. Guys do grow up and his BASKETBALL upisde is HUGE and he's already good.

If Im going to have to pay Nate 4-5 Lee 8-10 wouldnt I rather have Kenyon for less years JR for similar $ to Nate and the 14th pick to go along with a top pick?

On the oither side---this reduces Denver's payroll tremendously and I think Nate and Lee are made for it--the cost of the pick=taking on contract but this is not bad contract as long as Kenyon plays like he is now. Mcdyess was able to do it.

Lets just say for example

we add

Derrick Rose 6-4 215
Kenyon Martin 6-9 240
JR Smith 6-6 225
Javale Mcgee 7-1 240
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4/1/2008  4:08 PM
that would be awsome
i think i just busted a nut
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4/1/2008  4:39 PM
It's an interesting idea. If the pick stays at 14 (and doesn't go much later) I'd do it. I'd like to be in position to get either Augustin, Collison or Thabeet with that pick and if the mock drafts are right, then we should get one of them. Briggs is right about players growing up and putting their wild, immature days behind them. It doesn't always happen, but it often does.
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Posted by Siar617:

that would be awsome
i think i just busted a nut

Crawford Smith and Rose would be the best backcourt in the NBA in 2 years.
Kenyon Martin--much needed police officer who has played very close to old form this year --D lee may be a great leader etc.. but he doesnt hold jack in terms of respect to K Martin. Martin commands respect from every player in NBA
Mcgee--he will never fall to 14 but I wanted a perfect scenario:)but ya never know!
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4/1/2008  5:48 PM
even if he doesn't someone will
thabeet jordan mcgee cdr someone will fall to 14
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4/1/2008  5:50 PM
I like this trade idea a lot. I might want to structure it around Linas Kleiza instead of JR Smith though. We get Kleiza in this trade then try and get JR Smith with the full mid-level exception.

I've seen Kleiza play at least half a dozen times this year and I walk away very impressed each time. 6'8", 240+ lbs., and for that big a boy he can move and shoot the ball much better than anyone thought he could coming out of college. One of the better surprises in the entire NBA this season. I think he's agile enough and surprisingly a good enough perimeter shooter to start at the 3 for many teams in this league and he's obviously big enough and strong enough to play the 4 - truly a rare combination - something the Knicks had hoped David Lee would be able to do but unfortunately can't at least up to this point. As of right now, I don't see how he ever fully develops on that team with Melo locking down the 3 and guys like Martin and Nene getting payed huge, long-term money to play the 4.

Remember we were semi-close to pulling something off for this kid right before the deadline centered around Zach Randolph going to Denver that sadly never materialized. So we know the Knicks have interest. I tell ya, if we ever made this move then landed JR Smith as a FA, we should consider ourselves lucky.
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4/1/2008  5:55 PM
Anyone who likes this trade does not understand the meaning of salary cap. This trade is literally pointless. I'd much rather let Marbury expire than take on Martin's contract so I can get JR Smith and the 14th pick.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 04-01-2008 5:55 PM]
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4/1/2008  5:57 PM
we have enough sf dont think we need another chandler is just fine with balkman backing him up
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4/1/2008  6:11 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Anyone who likes this trade does not understand the meaning of salary cap. This trade is literally pointless. I'd much rather let Marbury expire than take on Martin's contract so I can get JR Smith and the 14th pick.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 04-01-2008 5:55 PM]


No way to base your team on salary cap space--if it happens--it happens but if you can greatly improve
your team--you do it. I would like salary cap space too but it's not likely to happen in NY. All I ask is the team try to improve and rebuild at the same time--what more could you ask then two lottery picks and a burgeoning 22 year old 6-6 225 super athletic skilled SG?

If we had Rose Smith and Crawford--that would be helluva lot of firepower and Rose is a great head of the defense. Of course this is just one scenario.
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4/1/2008  6:17 PM
The team does not improve with the 14th pick and Jr Smith. Give me a break. Lateral move if I ever saw one. JR Smith is nothing to write home about and there is no impact player at 14. Taking on Kenyon Martin also negates whatever positives there would be(and there isn't much). That's not rebuilding or improving. That's quick-fixing and going nowhere.
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4/1/2008  6:53 PM
As everyone knows I am a big Kenyon Martin fan. But I would do a straight deal of Randolph for Kenyon.
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4/1/2008  7:01 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

The team does not improve with the 14th pick and Jr Smith. Give me a break. Lateral move if I ever saw one. JR Smith is nothing to write home about and there is no impact player at 14. Taking on Kenyon Martin also negates whatever positives there would be(and there isn't much). That's not rebuilding or improving. That's quick-fixing and going nowhere.

I don't know much about JRSmith but if the Knicks draft Rose and play those 2 in the back court, the permiter defense improves by a wide margin (I am assuming Smith is much better than Crawford). He also hits his shots from downtown (~40%) and sinking shots at a 45% rate this year. With Rose at the helm, that opens up a lot for the big guys to operate.

The move also makes Crawford come off the bench, which is probably a better role for him.

If we started Curry, KMart would fill the role of rebounder and defender at the 4 and provide much needed weak side defense.

Getting rid of Marbury always helps a team.

And how can you make a blanket statement that the 14th pick won't help anything out? Wasn't Tayshawn the 23rd pick? Granger the 17th pick? I mean, the list goes on, right?

Randolph and Crawford off the bench with better perimeter defense and a balanced starting post game. That's definitely improving.
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4/1/2008  7:29 PM
You really believe Zach Randolph would come off the bench? And that Eddy Curry is worth keeping?

Rose is not a real possibility. If it happens, it happens. But it hasn't and it probably wont. Even with Rose this is a flawed plan.

Improving can man many things. From winning 23 games to 30 or 33. That's not much of a difference to destroy your salary cap space over.
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4/1/2008  7:56 PM
I like the trade- but I might start off offering a lot less- and I would much prefer either to send Zach to Denver in that deal or have somewhere else to send him.
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4/1/2008  7:57 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

You really believe Zach Randolph would come off the bench? And that Eddy Curry is worth keeping?

Rose is not a real possibility. If it happens, it happens. But it hasn't and it probably wont. Even with Rose this is a flawed plan.

Improving can man many things. From winning 23 games to 30 or 33. That's not much of a difference to destroy your salary cap space over.

Getting under the cap doesn't mean improvement either. And getting under the cap is not a real possibility. If it happens, it happens.

And why is Rose not a real possibility?

And I never said Curry is worth keeping.
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4/1/2008  8:05 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by GKFv2:

You really believe Zach Randolph would come off the bench? And that Eddy Curry is worth keeping?

Rose is not a real possibility. If it happens, it happens. But it hasn't and it probably wont. Even with Rose this is a flawed plan.

Improving can man many things. From winning 23 games to 30 or 33. That's not much of a difference to destroy your salary cap space over.

Getting under the cap doesn't mean improvement either. And getting under the cap is not a real possibility. If it happens, it happens.

And why is Rose not a real possibility?

And I never said Curry is worth keeping.

Actually, getting under the cap by 2010 is extremely possible under a competent GM than winning he lottery or 2nd pick.
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