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VDesai
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3/29/2008  3:13 PM
BRIGGS, I love your posts, but you can't go blah, blah, blah on Bynum when you change your mind on the top 10 picks, even the top 3 picks every 2 days. That's not taking a stand at all.
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3/29/2008  3:17 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Siar617:

i only want rose at this point
we need a pg and he's the best one

Rose is a shooting guard.

every place else I read says he is a PG

Well, he's averaged 4.5 a game and scored 14 a game. It's a good question. Whether he is more of a point or shooting. He certainly can put up some big points on any given night and I think of him more of a shooting guard than a point. But than again, Memphis doesn't really have a point guard, other than what Rose has shown.

I don't recall too many point guards who can score a lot of points, let alone dish much in the NBA.

Where do you put guys like Nash or Paul, who can put up around twenty and dish about 10 or more, on any given night?

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3/29/2008  3:19 PM
Posted by VDesai:

BRIGGS, I love your posts, but you can't go blah, blah, blah on Bynum when you change your mind on the top 10 picks, even the top 3 picks every 2 days. That's not taking a stand at all.

Yeah Briggs. You should be a shamed of your self.
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3/29/2008  3:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

I bought Bynum myself, after watching his skillset in the nba for a few games(first year). But, I think tkf has pointed out that you didn't necessarily think he was going to be a stud(pre-draft). You simply thought he was going to be better than Frye, which considering the limited amount of time you could have watched him play in hs, I wouldn't bet my life on.

That being said, I understand that you watch a lot of ball, and you know what you are talking about.


It would take a person with good basketball knowledge approximately one viewing of Andrew Bynum to see he was a high ceiling prospect. I knew about Bynum a year before I mentioned his name here.

I know you're feeling yourself and all, but you also said that Bogut was the next Kevin Garnett. N\
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3/29/2008  4:25 PM
Posted by 4949:


Rose is a shooting guard.

Rose is NOT a shooting guard. Again, we can't just look at stats. Sure his stats tell you that he doesn't get that many assists a game but it's because of the style of offense that Calipari runs down there. The offense stresses tons of ball movement with the PG doing nothing else but bringing the ball up to set up the offense, there could be 3 more passes from other players after the PG gets rid of the ball and he might not even get it back. Rose chose to goto Memphis because he wanted to win a chamionship and he put personal goals aside. Trust me the kid is a PG and he's a very good one.
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NBA comparision?

Alot of places are comparing him to Wade or Kidd. I think he's definitely a better offensive player than Kidd, passing aside, he's not at Kidd's level. I don't see the Wade comparison, he's a much more of a PG. I'd say he's a morph between the two.
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3/29/2008  4:39 PM
i agree lopez is a better post player than beasley, but beasley can score in facing the hoop and he has a nicer outside stroke. i don't think lopez's rebounding or defense justify putting him over beasley, who is hands down the superior offensive player.

i agree with briggs though, i think rose is a player who can be the leader of a team while beasley is mentally not all there -- i'd feel much safer w/ rose than beasley.
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3/29/2008  7:38 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by 4949:


Rose is a shooting guard.

Rose is NOT a shooting guard. Again, we can't just look at stats. Sure his stats tell you that he doesn't get that many assists a game but it's because of the style of offense that Calipari runs down there. The offense stresses tons of ball movement with the PG doing nothing else but bringing the ball up to set up the offense, there could be 3 more passes from other players after the PG gets rid of the ball and he might not even get it back. Rose chose to goto Memphis because he wanted to win a chamionship and he put personal goals aside. Trust me the kid is a PG and he's a very good one.
Posted by Silverfuel:

NBA comparision?

Alot of places are comparing him to Wade or Kidd. I think he's definitely a better offensive player than Kidd, passing aside, he's not at Kidd's level. I don't see the Wade comparison, he's a much more of a PG. I'd say he's a morph between the two.


Skill wise, he actually reminds a bit of Stephon Marbury when he was a freshman interms of strength, quickness, being able to get where he wants on the floor, and can score out of the pg position. He's a little bigger than Marb, and it seems as if his head isn't quite as big (literally and figuratively) so thats a good thing.
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3/29/2008  8:14 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

I bought Bynum myself, after watching his skillset in the nba for a few games(first year). But, I think tkf has pointed out that you didn't necessarily think he was going to be a stud(pre-draft). You simply thought he was going to be better than Frye, which considering the limited amount of time you could have watched him play in hs, I wouldn't bet my life on.

That being said, I understand that you watch a lot of ball, and you know what you are talking about.


It would take a person with good basketball knowledge approximately one viewing of Andrew Bynum to see he was a high ceiling prospect. I knew about Bynum a year before I mentioned his name here.

I know you're feeling yourself and all, but you also said that Bogut was the next Kevin Garnett. N\

He's getting there.
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3/29/2008  8:23 PM
realisticly, we won't have the 1,2,or 3rd pick. if we could get rid of little z, i'd love to pick up blake griffin. (if he comes out) he reminds of beasley w/out 3 point range. an absolute monster in the paint, supremely athletic, strong as hell, and can pass well out of the double/triple team. (which he sees often) read his scouting report, and it is absolutely on point. he is very much like carlos boozer.
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3/29/2008  8:58 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

I bought Bynum myself, after watching his skillset in the nba for a few games(first year). But, I think tkf has pointed out that you didn't necessarily think he was going to be a stud(pre-draft). You simply thought he was going to be better than Frye, which considering the limited amount of time you could have watched him play in hs, I wouldn't bet my life on.

That being said, I understand that you watch a lot of ball, and you know what you are talking about.


It would take a person with good basketball knowledge approximately one viewing of Andrew Bynum to see he was a high ceiling prospect. I knew about Bynum a year before I mentioned his name here.

I know you're feeling yourself and all, but you also said that Bogut was the next Kevin Garnett. N\

He's getting there.

Acknowledging his deficiencies do you really feel comfortable with, hypothetically speaking, making Lopez the 3rd selection if we had such a pick?
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3/29/2008  9:00 PM
Lopez won't score nearly as well as Duncan, he won't rebound nearly as well as Duncan and he won't defend as well as Duncan. If we get the third pick, the smartest thing to do is see if there's a good offer to trade down. Maybe someone else is anxious to get a mediocre big.
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3/29/2008  9:11 PM
Posted by Ira:

Lopez won't score nearly as well as Duncan, he won't rebound nearly as well as Duncan and he won't defend as well as Duncan. If we get the third pick, the smartest thing to do is see if there's a good offer to trade down. Maybe someone else is anxious to get a mediocre big.

This is what I'm thinking. If we dont get one or two, the pick gots to go
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3/29/2008  9:15 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Cash:

I bought Bynum myself, after watching his skillset in the nba for a few games(first year). But, I think tkf has pointed out that you didn't necessarily think he was going to be a stud(pre-draft). You simply thought he was going to be better than Frye, which considering the limited amount of time you could have watched him play in hs, I wouldn't bet my life on.

That being said, I understand that you watch a lot of ball, and you know what you are talking about.


It would take a person with good basketball knowledge approximately one viewing of Andrew Bynum to see he was a high ceiling prospect. I knew about Bynum a year before I mentioned his name here.

I know you're feeling yourself and all, but you also said that Bogut was the next Kevin Garnett. N\

He's getting there.

Acknowledging his deficiencies do you really feel comfortable with, hypothetically speaking, making Lopez the 3rd selection if we had such a pick?



He is going to be pick 3 no matter who picks. He's pick 3.

I've stated my 5

Rose
Lopez
Beasley
Randolph
Mcgee

and Im sticking with it --this is final--actually these have been my last 5 for the last ten days--the only change was moving around the order. This is/was will be a hard draft. Right now the only thing we can wait for is positioning. A lot of this is jibber until we actually know where we pick.
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3/29/2008  9:16 PM
By the way if the question was BRIGGS pick1 was Beasley pick 2 was Rose who r you taking for pick 3 and I will answer Lopez--quote me on that one
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3/29/2008  11:20 PM
Rose
Beasley
Lopez

Everyone else is pretty much a guess.

It is funny how a basketball player cannot choose where he wants to play. At this point, the top three can only speculate wether it's gonna be Memphis, Seattle, Miami, Minnesota or New York. Which do you think' they'd wanna play for?
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3/29/2008  11:59 PM
depends on if isiah is involved or not.

regardless, i think 1 of the bayless/mayo/gordon trio will go back to school. i know randolph and mcgee are your big sleepers, but i still think its top 2 or bust. i think rose and beasley are hands-down the only franchise-core talent in the draft.
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3/30/2008  8:40 AM
Posted by daddynel:

realisticly, we won't have the 1,2,or 3rd pick. if we could get rid of little z, i'd love to pick up blake griffin. (if he comes out) he reminds of beasley w/out 3 point range. an absolute monster in the paint, supremely athletic, strong as hell, and can pass well out of the double/triple team. (which he sees often) read his scouting report, and it is absolutely on point. he is very much like carlos boozer.

I read up on him before. He is definitely intriguing, but do you think he can play center at 6-9 like Boozer?
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3/30/2008  12:11 PM
Posted by 4949:

Rose
Beasley
Lopez

Everyone else is pretty much a guess.

It is funny how a basketball player cannot choose where he wants to play. At this point, the top three can only speculate wether it's gonna be Memphis, Seattle, Miami, Minnesota or New York. Which do you think' they'd wanna play for?

I would like to add to this list. Tyler Hasbrough as my 4.
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3/30/2008  12:13 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by daddynel:

realisticly, we won't have the 1,2,or 3rd pick. if we could get rid of little z, i'd love to pick up blake griffin. (if he comes out) he reminds of beasley w/out 3 point range. an absolute monster in the paint, supremely athletic, strong as hell, and can pass well out of the double/triple team. (which he sees often) read his scouting report, and it is absolutely on point. he is very much like carlos boozer.

I read up on him before. He is definitely intriguing, but do you think he can play center at 6-9 like Boozer?

6'-9"??? Oh' forget it!They tried that with Kurt Thomas and it was a disaster. We need to go big! It's a no brainer.
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3/30/2008  12:30 PM
As somebody that's waged war on these message boards over how good Derrick Rose is and why he's clearly the number one pick (and taken some serious abuse as a result), none of this surprises me at all. I've seen Rose play live as well. I am telling you, Rose will mature into one of the better points in the league. In an era being dominated by small, quick point guards, the Knicks could have an opportunity to draft a freakishly *large* and quick point, like a more skilled Devin Harris. He has legitimate technical skills. He has legitimate physical gifts. He's a hard worker. He's doing exactly what a former NBA coach is telling him to do. These are all things I said months and months ago and why Memphis' success doesn't either.

Beasely is a tremendous offensive player. You can tell he works an awful lot on his game. He doesn't have the work ethic to match that on the defensive end. Beasley learning from Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph would likely be disastrous and also must be factored into this decision.
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