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BRIGGS
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3/30/2008  11:32 AM
Guys did you watch Channing Frye when he played for AZ when he was a freshmen or sophomore? This is where people have no clue what they are talking about unless they see the players play. Channing frye was roughly 6-10-210 pounds his first two years and played a running 4-5 position on a fast paced team and rarely sat in the post unless it was on the fast break. He became more of a back to the post player as an upperclassmen but was still primarily a jump shooter who spent way to much time on the perimeter. Brook Lopez is *enormous* he is a huge physical human being with all of the features that come with that. He only plays in the post. You would like to see his numbers in terms of rebounding and shot blocking move up--yet +8.2 and 2.1 is not bad especially when you are playing with another 7 footer who is just as good a rebounder/shotblocker.Players on good basketball teams in college basketball won't always show what they can do because it depends on systems who they play with and the players progression itself. For example Marcus Camby was a MUCH better rebounder in the nBA rather than college.
Brook Lopez has a LOT going for him--he needs to refine his post game a big and playing with a good PG will help out immensely for a player like that. This is a VERY good player and I will tell you right now the Knicks WILL NMOT pass on Brook Lopez--doesn't matter who is in charge if Beasley and Rose are gone and we have pick 3. Lopez will be pick 3 in the NBA draft.
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3/30/2008  11:44 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Guys did you watch Channing Frye when he played for AZ when he was a freshmen or sophomore? This is where people have no clue what they are talking about unless they see the players play. Channing frye was roughly 6-10-210 pounds his first two years and played a running 4-5 position on a fast paced team and rarely sat in the post unless it was on the fast break. He became more of a back to the post player as an upperclassmen but was still primarily a jump shooter who spent way to much time on the perimeter. Brook Lopez is *enormous* he is a huge physical human being with all of the features that come with that. He only plays in the post. You would like to see his numbers in terms of rebounding and shot blocking move up--yet +8.2 and 2.1 is not bad especially when you are playing with another 7 footer who is just as good a rebounder/shotblocker.Players on good basketball teams in college basketball won't always show what they can do because it depends on systems who they play with and the players progression itself. For example Marcus Camby was a MUCH better rebounder in the nBA rather than college.
Brook Lopez has a LOT going for him--he needs to refine his post game a big and playing with a good PG will help out immensely for a player like that. This is a VERY good player and I will tell you right now the Knicks WILL NMOT pass on Brook Lopez--doesn't matter who is in charge if Beasley and Rose are gone and we have pick 3. Lopez will be pick 3 in the NBA draft.

Yeah, even jordan wasn't anything in college like he turned out to be in the NBA either. As a matter of fact, sometimes people drafted well after #! turned out to be much, much better players in the NBA.
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3/30/2008  1:40 PM
the old joke:

Who is the only person to hold Michael Jordan under 20 points a season?

Dean Smith!
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3/30/2008  1:46 PM
Posted by Nalod:

the old joke:

Who is the only person to hold Michael Jordan under 20 points a season?

Dean Smith!

old joke huh?

So in other words 'Lopez will be putting up some points when he gets to the NBA huh?'

Thanks!
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3/30/2008  1:58 PM
you are right briggs, lopez is a good consolation prize for the 3rd pick but after almost a decade of futility I DONT WANT A CONSOLATION PRIZE! give me ROSE or BEASLEY i dont want to have to settle anymore, enough of the LOSSES
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3/30/2008  6:03 PM
Briggs do you think the Knicks are going to cut Curry, and Randolph and Dolan eat about 80 million dollars? WHat do you do with Lee. We need guards and they have contracts that will be coming up. Lopez is too mechanical and not athletic enough for me
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3/30/2008  6:18 PM
Posted by King1:

Briggs do you think the Knicks are going to cut Curry, and Randolph and Dolan eat about 80 million dollars? WHat do you do with Lee. We need guards and they have contracts that will be coming up. Lopez is too mechanical and not athletic enough for me

This team needs total reconfiguration. There is no absolute or untouchable with any player on the Knicks. We can talk jibber all we want know--but the bottom line is we have to see where the draft pick is first. We need that information first.
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3/30/2008  9:58 PM
Lopez's shooting pct and rebounding compared to other big men drafted in the last few years is very unimpressive.

Brook Lopez -       .468  8.2
Greg Oden - .616 9.6
Al Horford - .608 9.5
LaMarcus Aldridge - .569 9.2
Tyrus Thomas - .608 8.9
Andrew Bogut - .620 12.2
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3/31/2008  12:16 AM
Posted by Ira:

Lopez's shooting pct and rebounding compared to other big men drafted in the last few years is very unimpressive.

Brook Lopez -       .468  8.2
Greg Oden - .616 9.6
Al Horford - .608 9.5
LaMarcus Aldridge - .569 9.2
Tyrus Thomas - .608 8.9
Andrew Bogut - .620 12.2

This is all fine and dandy but Brook Lopez is pick 3 in the draft[I would say 98% sure] and he is NOT a bad pick. If we are talking *pure* potential my choice would be Mcgee but in this case ending off with Lopez is a MUCH better than ending off with Frye---Lopez is a tad safer pick than Mcgee but I would not write off Mcgee no matter where he is picked on draft sites. He's in my top 5 and I personally think he has the highest ceiling in the draft out of ALL big men entering. I don't have confidence int he Knicks to see what he may bring because he is not ready yet to do so--thankfully Lopez--while being the safe pick ALSO has a very good ceiling IMHO--much much better than Frye so if it cam down to it----I would be happy with the pick--it's a good pick.

For me--to change the landscape--my hope is we do get Rose and we trade Lee and grab a higher ceiling big.
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3/31/2008  4:47 AM
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony Randolph or even Blake Griffin ended up drafted in the top 5 after all is said and done

but Javale McGee, nope not seeing it, not yet anyway. He might improve and become a top 3 pick next season but I just can't see him being a top 5 pick this season.
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3/31/2008  7:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Ira:

Lopez's shooting pct and rebounding compared to other big men drafted in the last few years is very unimpressive.

Brook Lopez -       .468  8.2
Greg Oden - .616 9.6
Al Horford - .608 9.5
LaMarcus Aldridge - .569 9.2
Tyrus Thomas - .608 8.9
Andrew Bogut - .620 12.2

This is all fine and dandy but Brook Lopez is pick 3 in the draft[I would say 98% sure] and he is NOT a bad pick.

Only because he would be a role model for some of the fan bases kids, his game doesn't warrant those hype speeches those % don't lie.

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3/31/2008  10:26 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony Randolph or even Blake Griffin ended up drafted in the top 5 after all is said and done

but Javale McGee, nope not seeing it, not yet anyway. He might improve and become a top 3 pick next season but I just can't see him being a top 5 pick this season.

I think any of those three Randolph Mcgee and Griffin can go top 5 depending on their workouts. They all have the physical skills of a top 5 player.
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3/31/2008  12:13 PM
I have concerns about Lopez really being a role player, nor a good rebounder, which is what many Knick fans have complained about when it comes to Curry.

Our team needs to use our high pick to get a potential star. Is this the best draft to do it? Maybe not, and we sure missed the boat on plenty of young stars with our futile attempts at "winning now" which left us in the middle of the lotto or trading picks, but other players seem to possess more potential for stardom, and we need help practically everywhere.

I'd be very curious to see how some of our players (of who remain) would perform with a real star. We've relied on second and third tier stars, or players with a great deal of talent or potential but lacking leadership and role modeling skills on the court (Steph, Z-Bo and Curry). Then the players who show some leadership qualities are just not good enough to warrant top dog status on a good team (like Crawford or Lee, and of course the Knicks plethora of broken down and past their sell date cats like Q and Rose).

It is clear to me that of all the teams with similar records, we need to get into the top 2 more than anyone, which is also concerning for a variety of reasons, one of which is that other teams may know this. However, if we get pick 3, I like KBY's idea of picking Lopez and him trading down for someone else in some kind of package.

I think we should go for players like Mayo, Bayless, Gordon, Randolf, Griffen, Westbrook.

I also didn't realize that Brook(lyn) had back surgery.



[Edited by - PresIke on 03-31-2008 12:14 PM]
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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3/31/2008  1:02 PM
Could the equation change if Curry (Del's kid) enters the draft-the young man is lights out as a shooter.
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3/31/2008  1:36 PM
Posted by TheSage:

Could the equation change if Curry (Del's kid) enters the draft-the young man is lights out as a shooter.

I think Curry has to be in the discussion when you are talking about prospects in this draft. Not only is he one of the purest shooters I've EVER seen, he's a creative scorer as well, he can take you off the dribble and get to the hoop, as well as, take you off the dribble stop and pop with great accuracy. With all that being said, I honestly don't know where he gets picked. He's on the smaller side 6'3, 180lbs, but there are guys in the NBA right now who are in the same mold who are performing quite well (Monta Ellis, Ben Gordon) for starters.

I'm not taking Curry with the #3 pick but I would definitely look to trade for another pick, maybe in the 10-13 range to take a stab at him. With everything I said about his game, he also seems to have a very good head on his shoulders and would really improve the character and chemistry on this team.
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3/31/2008  1:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TheSage:

Could the equation change if Curry (Del's kid) enters the draft-the young man is lights out as a shooter.

I think Curry has to be in the discussion when you are talking about prospects in this draft. Not only is he one of the purest shooters I've EVER seen, he's a creative scorer as well, he can take you off the dribble and get to the hoop, as well as, take you off the dribble stop and pop with great accuracy. With all that being said, I honestly don't know where he gets picked. He's on the smaller side 6'3, 180lbs, but there are guys in the NBA right now who are in the same mold who are performing quite well (Monta Ellis, Ben Gordon) for starters.

I'm not taking Curry with the #3 pick but I would definitely look to trade for another pick, maybe in the 10-13 range to take a stab at him. With everything I said about his game, he also seems to have a very good head on his shoulders and would really improve the character and chemistry on this team.

The papers are reporting that Curry is going back to school and will likely play pg next year for Davidson. I think it is a bad move unless he can actually play the point. The hype on him now is about as big as its going to get, and he probably would be a 1st round pick in the 20-30 range. If he goes back, every scout in the country is going to be dissecting his game, and he is too short to play SG and has not shown that he is a pg. If he goes back next year and does not show he can play the point, it is unlikely he will drafted as high as he might be this year.
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3/31/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by TheGame:


The papers are reporting that Curry is going back to school and will likely play pg next year for Davidson. I think it is a bad move unless he can actually play the point. The hype on him now is about as big as its going to get, and he probably would be a 1st round pick in the 20-30 range. If he goes back, every scout in the country is going to be dissecting his game, and he is too short to play SG and has not shown that he is a pg. If he goes back next year and does not show he can play the point, it is unlikely he will drafted as high as he might be this year.

If that's the case Game, I definitely agree with you, he should come out. Theres no way he'll ever generate as much buzz as he has right now.

As a player, I can see him having the same kind of role as Monta Ellis, they are almost identical when you talk about them physically. Curry is a much better shooter and Ellis is a much better slasher, but I can see Curry having that kind of role in the NBA. He should come out now.
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4/1/2008  7:11 AM
Curry's daddy saved his money while playing in the association, the family isn't starving for cash.

He enjoys the college life, his dad will give him the best advice on this one, not jay bilas wannabe's
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Lopez--absolute lock for top 3

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