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martin
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3/28/2008  11:24 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?
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3/28/2008  11:28 AM
i like jr if we can get him that'd be great
i wouldn't trade for him though
denver will want a young player
if the want nate or collins im all in
balkman or chandler
hell no
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3/28/2008  11:51 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?

Did I take a minute to consider? No need to get snitty! What you're saying makes no sense anyway. Denver is a below average rebounding team and if you convert JR's rebounding #s to around 32 mpg, they're better but still pretty unimpressive.
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3/28/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?

Did I take a minute to consider? No need to get snitty! What you're saying makes no sense anyway. Denver is a below average rebounding team and if you convert JR's rebounding #s to around 32 mpg, they're better but still pretty unimpressive.
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dude, aren't you a PHD student? Or were one? Think like one and act like one. Do some research and give us some explanation instead of asking simpleton questions.
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3/28/2008  1:11 PM
JR Smith is better than any of our players....plus he has that motor that Elite talked about. Oh yeah, he plays defense and is strong as all hell.

It would be an honor to have this kid in a Knick uniform.

The nba's rules are biased. College is the key to the league for american players. No other way. The european guys work for a living and there culture surrounding basketball is healthier. They don't need the nba essentially. In america? These kids need the nba. Who wants to play in europe? Tons of americans do if they are lucky. That's where the money is. There are some american leagues but when was the last time anybody was given a chance like that? They make peanuts and the nba simply is not looking at them.

Ah well......can I borrow $5,000 from someone? I'm broke.
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3/28/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

JR Smith is better than any of our players....plus he has that motor that Elite talked about. Oh yeah, he plays defense and is strong as all hell.

It would be an honor to have this kid in a Knick uniform.

The nba's rules are biased. College is the key to the league for american players. No other way. The european guys work for a living and there culture surrounding basketball is healthier. They don't need the nba essentially. In america? These kids need the nba. Who wants to play in europe? Tons of americans do if they are lucky. That's where the money is. There are some american leagues but when was the last time anybody was given a chance like that? They make peanuts and the nba simply is not looking at them.

Ah well......can I borrow $5,000 from someone? I'm broke.

europe is paying big time $$$.

a friend of mine is real tight with donnie mcgrath in providence. he's playing in italy now, making $500g's a year, living rent/tax/board free. it would take him 10 years to save up that much in the US.
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3/28/2008  1:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:

JR Smith is better than any of our players....plus he has that motor that Elite talked about. Oh yeah, he plays defense and is strong as all hell.

It would be an honor to have this kid in a Knick uniform.

The nba's rules are biased. College is the key to the league for american players. No other way. The european guys work for a living and there culture surrounding basketball is healthier. They don't need the nba essentially. In america? These kids need the nba. Who wants to play in europe? Tons of americans do if they are lucky. That's where the money is. There are some american leagues but when was the last time anybody was given a chance like that? They make peanuts and the nba simply is not looking at them.

Ah well......can I borrow $5,000 from someone? I'm broke.

europe is paying big time $$$.

a friend of mine is real tight with donnie mcgrath in providence. he's playing in italy now, making $500g's a year, living rent/tax/board free. it would take him 10 years to save up that much in the US.

Hey ask him if I can borrow 5g's, lol.
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3/28/2008  1:42 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?

Did I take a minute to consider? No need to get snitty! What you're saying makes no sense anyway. Denver is a below average rebounding team and if you convert JR's rebounding #s to around 32 mpg, they're better but still pretty unimpressive.
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dude, aren't you a PHD student? Or were one? Think like one and act like one. Do some research and give us some explanation instead of asking simpleton questions.

Martin, that was uncalled for. I have to defend Bonn on this one. Aren't you a moderator? Why don't you act more mature before you take personal attacks at posters for no reason.

That was incredibly uncool on your part.
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3/28/2008  1:46 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?

Did I take a minute to consider? No need to get snitty! What you're saying makes no sense anyway. Denver is a below average rebounding team and if you convert JR's rebounding #s to around 32 mpg, they're better but still pretty unimpressive.
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Anyway, I agree with you that Smith's rebounding numbers seem a little below-average. They look worse because he plays under 20 mpg. As you said, when you spread it out over 32 mpg, they don't look so bad, but still, it's easy to be unimpressed by them, I agree with that. Not everyone values rebounding highly, however, I remember when we had Allan Houston, putting up under 2 rpg and 2 apg, those were utter killers to be getting those kind of numbers from your "star". Fortunately, Smith isn't quite that bad.

Also, I think Bonn is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills JR Smith and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Edited by - Solace on Mar 28 2008 2:00 PM]
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3/28/2008  1:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by EnySpree:

JR Smith is better than any of our players....plus he has that motor that Elite talked about. Oh yeah, he plays defense and is strong as all hell.

It would be an honor to have this kid in a Knick uniform.

The nba's rules are biased. College is the key to the league for american players. No other way. The european guys work for a living and there culture surrounding basketball is healthier. They don't need the nba essentially. In america? These kids need the nba. Who wants to play in europe? Tons of americans do if they are lucky. That's where the money is. There are some american leagues but when was the last time anybody was given a chance like that? They make peanuts and the nba simply is not looking at them.

Ah well......can I borrow $5,000 from someone? I'm broke.

europe is paying big time $$$.

a friend of mine is real tight with donnie mcgrath in providence. he's playing in italy now, making $500g's a year, living rent/tax/board free. it would take him 10 years to save up that much in the US.

My close friend who cuts Rodney Buford's hair who plays for AZOVMASH MARIUPOL pretty much said the same thing. I actually have talked to Buford on a few occasions.
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3/28/2008  3:39 PM
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Smith has a .420 3-pt. %. That's not bad. He averages about 20 min. a game. He has good size (6'-6") at 240 lbs. That's one heavy guard. But how's his defense and his potential overall? What about durability? And how can we get him with a MLE?

the only way we get him for the MLE is if Denver doesn't want to resign him due to character issues or can't find a S&T for him

And no other team with more room wants him.

He is playing tremendous ball - he is becoming a kobe bryant type player.

I don't know if he can sign an extension for a max #- but if you thought he was good enough, we could offer up Marb's contract in a S&T- if his agent couldn't find more money elsewhere, then they would basically force Denver to take it- we might have to throw in a Balkman or Chandler- but then what would be the need with JR coming here?

Auuuuuhhhhhh...........more talent. Especially if your getting rid of coke head.
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3/28/2008  3:42 PM
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JR Smith has to be *seriously* looked at by the Ny Knicks for the MLE. Does anyone hear know how old JR is right now? 22--this is probably why Stern wants to continue to move the age minimum higher. If JR was a senior this year--people would be talking about JR Smith as pick 1. And he has hurt his own stock by coming in to young and acting immature. Now it appears as if he is starting to really get it--he's playing with a lot of older guys and playing his role as well could ask for. JR Smith legitmately is a fantastic target for us with that MLE---atleast I would go there.

Jr Smith didn't hurt anything.

If anybody offers any highschool senior wiz a job on wall street, he goes no questions asked.

But when an basketball player is gifted athletically he should stay in school and forfeit money for himself and make school for the university.

If the NBA spent more investing time shaping up highschool ball players instead of telling the talented ones to stay in school the players would possibly be more mature.

If Tony Parker and Jose Calderon etc... can play pro ball as a teenager in their european leagues and learn the game and make MONEY why not allow highschool players in america the same.

Because when people wave bills in their faces, how can they resist? Especially if a family needs the money.
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3/28/2008  3:48 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Why does a guy as athletic as he is get no rebounds or assists?

Isn't that because guards usually don't get a lot of rebounds and he's more of a shooting gaurd, than a point?

I still wanna know how his defense is?
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3/28/2008  3:53 PM
Posted by playa2:

Whena highschooler's family is living in poverty or near to it, you are saying for the sake of the NBA go to college and help the well off universities make more money off of you. If the NBA wasn't in bed with the NCAA, THE NBDL would be the league of choice for many ball players who thinks college is not for them. If universites had higher requirements and standards for their student athletes who can't speak read or write correctly that would be the league of choice. Young players learning innthe minor league while getting paid making a living like tennis players , hockey players etc... .

[Edited by - playa2 on 28-03-2008 10:32]

You ever see the ticket prices in Tennis? When you got only two to four players per match, it's no wonder they make so much money a game. But that's a rich man's sport and a different story.
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3/28/2008  5:43 PM
My point is don't tell someone they are to young to make a living in the NBA.
If the NBA truly care about the league they would get involved in highschool ball players lives earlier and by pass college.

Economics plays a big role in the decision of the NCAA and NBA not caring about can't miss basketball stars out of highschool.

The NBDL should be the league for young guys who can't cut the grades who want a profession in pro basketball , just like the euro leagues does.
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My point is don't tell someone they are to young to make a living in the NBA.
If the NBA truly care about the league they would get involved in highschool ball players lives earlier and by pass college.

Economics plays a big role in the decision of the NCAA and NBA not caring about can't miss basketball stars out of highschool.

The NBDL should be the league for young guys who can't cut the grades who want a profession in pro basketball , just like the euro leagues does.

You should be allowed to find work wherever you want when you are 18--if you are old enough to die for the military--thats that. It would be better for the league if it was 20 because you would get more devlopmental times for kids---who can argue with that? and also kids propably don't make the best choices yet at 18-19--I think we all know that. I do know that kids should not be allowed to drive until they are 18 and they should NOT smoke until 21
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3/28/2008  6:29 PM
Yes, they get involved in public services, but don't think they do it because they care. They do it, so the Feds don't come down on them and they do it for advertising purposes. It's not to say the all people in the NBA don't care. It's a business and that's the way businesses work. Plus they do it for the main reason and that is to find the next potential star, before they get to college level.

With that said, in this process' in that environment, a lot of young people are left out in the cold. I knew some high school ballers a long time ago, who got all worked up and ready for NBA stardom, and never even made it through the first door. Some of those guys drop right out of school, because they didnt' get the prize. The prize they were (are) led to believe that might be there's one day.

It's not all about the money. There's a certain social development, maturity that has to be developed as a foundation, before you can turn someone lose on that pile of cash. Otherwise, the majority of people who get that kind of influence, they end up on the wayside somewhere, after the system spits them out and they find that they been used. And their lucky if they have much, or anything left over to show for it. Not my idea of a long life of quality.

I don't believe in drafting high schoolers, for those very reasons. I don't even follow a player, not unless he's in college and when I see a player pushing for the pros after just a year or two in college, I have questions about that also. It weighs on my mind a little about Derrick Rose. I think he can be great, because of his maturity, but if something happens to him, then what next? It's happened many times before. If each and every potential basketball player, any athlete for that matter, anywhere in the world can get a well rounded education and secondly' the possibility of playing professional ball, then that's the way to go. Because if for whatever reason it all ends before it even gets started, then that person will at least have something to fall back on, like a college degree. Even a few years in college would be good. Something!

In the present system of the NBA, there are lots of cracks for those who don't make it, to fall through. And don't ever count on the NBA to act as a Government, that's going to take care of the welfare of those individuals. They are first and foremost a business and are not held accountable, at least not yet anyway. And it's a fact, that most athlete's choose the degree over even trying to become a professional athlete, because there is no guarantee of security. Sure' maybe some to plenty of fame, but they have to make a choice and they usually make the best choices 'while in college'. Not like some high schooler, who's got this dream.

Now as a college graduate, sure' give it a shot! Why not, if you have the potential? At least they'll have something to fall back on. But a high schooler? That's a lot of responsibility.

It's always a nice story when one of them makes it. But what about all the rest of the people who don't? This goes for the European leagues also.
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3/29/2008  6:11 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?

Did I take a minute to consider? No need to get snitty! What you're saying makes no sense anyway. Denver is a below average rebounding team and if you convert JR's rebounding #s to around 32 mpg, they're better but still pretty unimpressive.
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dude, aren't you a PHD student? Or were one? Think like one and act like one. Do some research and give us some explanation instead of asking simpleton questions.

Martin, that was uncalled for. I have to defend Bonn on this one. Aren't you a moderator? Why don't you act more mature before you take personal attacks at posters for no reason.

That was incredibly uncool on your part.

Also, I did do some research and found that Martin's claim that JR "plays with who are also very good rebounds" was simply false, since his team is a below average rebounding team. You're telling me to do research, Martin, but it sounds like you did none yourself and rather simply thought "Camby's a good rebounder. Denver must be a good rebounding team. Bonn must not have thought about this possibility."
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3/29/2008  10:49 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by playa2:

he plays on the perimmiter and he's a designated shooter on the team with ballhandlers like AI and Melo who gets a pass to assit unless it's a interior pass to a big man for a dunk or layup

OK, that makes sense for the assists. I'd still expect him to be grabbing more defensive rebounds though.

dude, did you even take a minute to consider the guys that JR Smith plays with who are also very good rebounds and the amount of minutes that Smith plays?

Did I take a minute to consider? No need to get snitty! What you're saying makes no sense anyway. Denver is a below average rebounding team and if you convert JR's rebounding #s to around 32 mpg, they're better but still pretty unimpressive.
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dude, aren't you a PHD student? Or were one? Think like one and act like one. Do some research and give us some explanation instead of asking simpleton questions.

Martin, that was uncalled for. I have to defend Bonn on this one. Aren't you a moderator? Why don't you act more mature before you take personal attacks at posters for no reason.

That was incredibly uncool on your part.

Also, I did do some research and found that Martin's claim that JR "plays with who are also very good rebounds" was simply false, since his team is a below average rebounding team. You're telling me to do research, Martin, but it sounds like you did none yourself and rather simply thought "Camby's a good rebounder. Denver must be a good rebounding team. Bonn must not have thought about this possibility."

where did you do your research?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=teamstatreb&sort=totreb&league=nba&season=2008&seasontype=2&avg=pg&order=true&split=0

DEV has 3 players in the top 50 for rebounds per game and Nene doesn't even play. let's see: Camby, Melo, KMart who all happen to be starters.

They play up tempo which means guards probably release and let the 3 top 50 rebounders grab the loose stuff.
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3/29/2008  10:50 AM
and bonny, when you lay something down like, "I did some research", then SHOW your research and put it into words and stats and back it up with some conclusions.

You don't write your papers with paragraphs and paragraphs of "I did some research" do you?
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