Hey' we're forgetting another factor for prez. Ralph Nader has started an exploritory again. You can wipe out about one to two percent of the vote right threre, in favor of the Republicans.

If it's close, like the last two elections, it might make the difference. This guy is so destructive and he's doing it on purpose. Now there's someone we should all' be bashing.

Posted by markvmc:

Posted by simrud:

In my opinion she is scary in her leanings towards the far left.

This is a joke, right?

She's about as right wing as you can get while still being a democrat.

Is this' a joke? She's pushing the opposite of what the bush regime is pushing.

On the war vote, I dont' know how many times it has to be corected, but most of the voters voted for the war, because they where led to beleive the where WMD there. If people remember, when bush got into the white house, there was this fear of backlash if you went against his regime. They took advantage of the devastation that went down on 9/11. It was a scary time. I remember a lot of the senate had a lot of pressure on them to vote one way or another. Even Obama admitted he wasn't sure what he would have done, if' that report is correct.

I know MIchael Moore pointed it out about her recieving money from the health insurance companies, but like I say, it's a game and if you want to be one of the big boys (in this case, girl) then you have to play the game. She took the money, just as all powerful politicians take monies to play the game. Let me put it to you this way. If she didnt' accept all of that money from major givers, then she woulddn't have a campaign right now. There would be no Clinton-Obama match.

It is true that she did as you say, but make clear the facts behind why' she did it.

I dont' know what to say about the patriot act, maybe for the same reasons, but I still believe she is in the middle. You almost have to be, to be able to try to bring people from all sides together to make tthings happen. I believe she will use' that power to do good for the people if she is able to acquire it. If she had not tried on the universal health care thing years ago, then I would even give her a second thought.

And I will disclose one more fact for you folks. The Clinton's, when Bill was in power, as far as I konw have done more for minority people than any other president has done before. This is the main reason I want her to win. Don't get me wrong. I like Obama, but for me experience (her experience aned contacts) I think will serve us best for now. Besides, I always believed that this country needs some nurturing before we put another man back into the white house, if ever again.

The WMD excuse is bogus. There was no evidence. Any alleged evidence that was brought to the public was exposed as bogus before the invasion. Many people saw this; why couldn't she? If someone in a private capacity wants to believe that Iraq was a threat, based on the administrations's PR, that's fine. But if someone wants to be taken seriously as a Presidential Candidate, the "They Told Me Iraq Was A Threat" line is just inexcusable.

I'm not clear why she voted for the PATRIOT act. My guess is that it was out of fear that it would seem unpatriotic to vote against it. But voting for a bill that allows the government to suspend Habeas Corpus, detain people without trial, and investigate people's library records is hardly far left, now is it?

Anyway, like I say, if She's the candidate, I want her to win. My point is only that it is laughable to see her as far left.

[Edited by - markvmc on 03-19-2008 8:38 PM]

Hilary is in her second term as a Senator, right?

That's hardly very experienced. I'm not sure; is it much more experienced than Obama?

No, I'm not suggesting that everyone in Washington saw this except Hilary. I'm simply saying that she voted for the war in the absence of any evidence to suggest that Iraq was a threat. The other folk who voted the same way are just as bad.

As for the PATRIOT act, I've no idea what Obama would have done. But I do know what Hilary did do. And that counts.

Not sure where you get the idea that I'm an Obama supporter from either.

So she's experienced at being a President's wife?

Given that we're bringing Bill into it, since she gets his experience, does she also get to take blame for some of the most crippling welfare reforms ever carried out by a democratic president? For continuing the devastating bombing on Iraq after the first Iraq war? For all of Bill's bizarre presidential pardons at the end of his second term? For selling out gays in the military?

Posted by markvmc:

So she's experienced at being a President's wife?

Given that we're bringing Bill into it, since she gets his experience, does she also get to take blame for some of the most crippling welfare reforms ever carried out by a democratic president? For continuing the devastating bombing on Iraq after the first Iraq war? For all of Bill's bizarre presidential pardons at the end of his second term? For selling out gays in the military?

You and all of the other Clinton attackers will make damn sure she does pay for his mis-deeds. Do we blame bush's wife for everything that's gone wrong with this Iraq war and his horrible record as President? Of course not!

But why is it impossible to take advantage of the power of your husband, to do other things, while he's ****ing it up?

The point is, she's gotten the experience, through Bill, despite his mis-deeds. And as you said earlier 'that counts'.

That's total bull**** 4949.......experience through being a first lady? That's not a goverment office. No way man......its president of the united states not president and wife of the united states. If being first lady is considered experience I'm moving to Cuba.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

We could have had health care if she had listened to anyone else's opinion.

Don't you mean if she had just acted like a woman and did what she was told to do?

All your doing is bashing Mr John Wallace #44. Not even a shred of proof to back it up. This is all you negative Obama followers do is bash. And you blame her for dividing the party. Your bashing has turned me and many others off completely.