Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I honestly think that if Brown coached for four years, you'd see a completely different team, making the playoffs. Because we would have first seen him clean house. It's obvious that it wasn't Brown's coaching that was bad. it was these lousy vets that isiah put together. And with Brown having only one season to make it work, well' we know what happened.

Brown's a discipline and starbury had a huge problem with being disciplined. But isaih had his back. And Curry's back. And isiah had isiah's back as GM to coach. And dolan had isiah's back. And Charles has jimmy's back. And the stock holders have Charles back and for some strange reason, people feed the stock holders, by buying ticket after ticekt to go watch these lousy ass games and so on and so on. And here's something even stranger by the fans: to yell out 'fire isiah' 'fire isiah' 'fire isiah'! Talk about a catch twenty-two. Go figure.

Brown and Wilkens were strong guys that could have changed the culture here. Don Chaney wasn't a great coach but in hindsight you can't argue with the results he got out of his limited talent. Yet none of them got respect. The inmates have been able to run the asylum all the way back to the JVG days. In 1999 after the title run(the day Ewing was traded) you could see this coming. 15 straight years we rode the back of Patrick. For 8 straight years we refused to rebuild. We instead continued the myth that you don't need a superstar to be a title contender. We are still building on that premise to this day. LB wanted to change that and was villified. After the 23 win season it had to be obvious to us all that it was time to start anew but we somehow resisted. Our management and many of our fans refused to believe that Marbs and Curry were not the guys to lead us to a title.

No one was held accountable except for the one guy that wanted to change it. But that's what happens when the inmates are running the asylum. Why would they want to give up their power?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-03-2008 2:31 PM]

Personally, I would sell high and move Craw. He is having a career year, numbers-wise and it seems word around the league is that Jamal is a good kid and is coachable.

I'd shop him and see if we can get a late first rounder and a throw in.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

I honestly think that if Brown coached for four years, you'd see a completely different team, making the playoffs. Because we would have first seen him clean house. It's obvious that it wasn't Brown's coaching that was bad. it was these lousy vets that isiah put together. And with Brown having only one season to make it work, well' we know what happened.

Brown's a discipline and starbury had a huge problem with being disciplined. But isaih had his back. And Curry's back. And isiah had isiah's back as GM to coach. And dolan had isiah's back. And Charles has jimmy's back. And the stock holders have Charles back and for some strange reason, people feed the stock holders, by buying ticket after ticekt to go watch these lousy ass games and so on and so on. And here's something even stranger by the fans: to yell out 'fire isiah' 'fire isiah' 'fire isiah'! Talk about a catch twenty-two. Go figure.

Brown and Wilkens were strong guys that could have changed the culture here. Don Chaney wasn't a great coach but in hindsight you can't argue with the results he got out of his limited talent. Yet none of them got respect. The inmates have been able to run the asylum all the way back to the JVG days. In 1999 after the title run(the day Ewing was traded) you could see this coming. 15 straight years we rode the back of Patrick. For 8 straight years we refused to rebuild. We instead continued the myth that you don't need a superstar to be a title contender. We are still building on that premise to this day. LB wanted to change that and was villified. After the 23 win season it had to be obvious to us all that it was time to start anew but we somehow resisted. Our management and many of our fans refused to believe that Marbs and Curry were not the guys to lead us to a title.

No one was held accountable except for the one guy that wanted to change it. But that's what happens when the inmates are running the asylum. Why would they want to give up their power?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 19-03-2008 2:31 PM]

Great points.

Posted by bigbeast:

Personally, I would sell high and move Craw. He is having a career year, numbers-wise and it seems word around the league is that Jamal is a good kid and is coachable.

I'd shop him and see if we can get a late first rounder and a throw in.

This is what I don't get. Some want to build for the future. But some want to trade away a part of anything that develops and for what? To develop someone else and trade them away to? It's like a training camp for the NBA. I mean what are we talking about here?

Crawford (like Lee) have proven that they belong and should be used to develop this team. Along with Chanlder, Morris, Balkman and Collins (and whatever else we can get out of the next draft). The jury is still out on Nate, as far as I'm concerned. If you wanna trade someone, trade nate.

Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

Jamal doesn't need a coach; he needs a brain surgeon!

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

Jamal doesn't need a coach; he needs a brain surgeon!

We are the only team having circumstances that stick to why our players aren't able to succeed. How can you blame 8yrs of poor basketball play on bad coaching. I have a player who fits the bill as Jamal how about Ricky Davis?

But ricky davis is not a quality guy or player.. he suffers from zach's disease.. Ricky has never really been coachable and is as selfish as they get.. this is the same moron who threw the ball at the opposing teams basket in order to get a triple double.... Jamal is unbridled, but it is not due to selfisheness or flat out being a jackass... For so long he has been surviving on being a free wheeling player, at times it has worked.. it got him this far.. He needs to be broken from those habits, it won't be easy..

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

I honestly think that if Jamal had spent 4 years under LB you would see a much better player. This guy has just never been coached.

Jamal doesn't need a coach; he needs a brain surgeon!

We are the only team having circumstances that stick to why our players aren't able to succeed. How can you blame 8yrs of poor basketball play on bad coaching. I have a player who fits the bill as Jamal how about Ricky Davis?

But ricky davis is not a quality guy or player.. he suffers from zach's disease.. Ricky has never really been coachable and is as selfish as they get.. this is the same moron who threw the ball at the opposing teams basket in order to get a triple double.... Jamal is unbridled, but it is not due to selfisheness or flat out being a jackass... For so long he has been surviving on being a free wheeling player, at times it has worked.. it got him this far.. He needs to be broken from those habits, it won't be easy..

Actually when Ricky was with the Celtics Doc Rivers had plenty of positive things to say about Ricky and his growth as an NBA player. He had a personal chef who would cook meals for the majority of the basketball team and was known to get teammates together over his place quite often. He was known to be one of the first players to show at camp in Waltham Center in Boston before the season started. Matter of fact every since his Cleveland days, which was many moons ago Ricky has never done anything suspect. He has been known to party a little hard before game nights but that's goes across the league really. The main reason he was traded from Boston was because he and Paul Pierce became too competitive amongst each other(sibling rivalry). Which was really a case of Paul acting like his ish don't stink. It was Paul and Walker who had the meltdown in Boston in the playoffs vs the Pacers not Ricky. Trying to score points for selfish reasons is closely related to doing And 1 Moves in games. Both boneheaded in terms of approach to the game.

Jamal's teammates have admitted he actually spends time in practice working on his And 1 moves.

Just take a moment and reflect on this testimony.

Trueblue...Jamal also goes in to practice on days off to workout. He bulked up before the season. You are completely blind here. Why don't you check out the Knicks website and see the video of Nate Robinson clowning during pre-game. REAL PROFESSIONAL.

Larry Brown: "He's the most improved player I think I've ever coached. And he's as good a kid as I've ever been around," Brown said. "He does things for our team to please me to a fault. But you get enough like that and we'll have some people cheering for us."

John Starks, another former Knicks star who has also won the Munson Award, was also thrilled for Crawford.

"I think it means a lot for Jamal to win this award," said Starks. "The Thurman Munson Award exemplifies players just like Jamal. He has a big heart and does things outside the court to help others. What Thurman Munson meant to New York, especially in sports, and what he did in the community, to be able to receive this award is a great feeling. You get rewarded on the basketball court for what you do with your athletic ability, and sometimes what you do outside the court can go unnoticed. So to receive such a prestigious award, in my book, is an incredible feeling."

I'm talking about the original quote in this topic with Walsh. Where did it come from?

Posted by 4949:

Posted by bigbeast:

Personally, I would sell high and move Craw. He is having a career year, numbers-wise and it seems word around the league is that Jamal is a good kid and is coachable.

I'd shop him and see if we can get a late first rounder and a throw in.

This is what I don't get. Some want to build for the future. But some want to trade away a part of anything that develops and for what? To develop someone else and trade them away to? It's like a training camp for the NBA. I mean what are we talking about here?

Crawford (like Lee) have proven that they belong and should be used to develop this team. Along with Chanlder, Morris, Balkman and Collins (and whatever else we can get out of the next draft). The jury is still out on Nate, as far as I'm concerned. If you wanna trade someone, trade nate.

How has Craw proven that he bleongs? Because he says all the right things? Craw is what he is, a career 41% shooter from the field. Moving Craw will not make or break our buiding process moving forward. He is not the answer at the 2. He's a sixth man. So if moving our 6th man will possibly help us fulfill another need on this team (interior defender, wing player etc) then he can definitely be replaced.

Posted by Anji:

For a dude that sits on computers all day, you sure know a lot about what athletes should be doing.


Anyway, it's good to see Walash likes Jamal. The guy works hard and gives it his all every time he plays. He should never be a teams number scorer, but he was giving that title because the scorer around him are fragile. He is a top notch scorer in the NBA at about half the price, so I do hope we keep him as the teams starting guard( unless we up grade him with a superstar of course).

Yes. Everyone is rushing to trade a superstar for Jamal Crawford.