Posted by islesfan:

This isn't nearly as disgusting or unprofessional as having your GM going on David Letterman and joking about how he's going to fire you soon.

It doesn't even compare to being escorted out of MSG by security, after being fired just before a game, even though it could have been done earlier at their training facility during the morning shoot around.

It's not as emasculating as having your dignity being used against you, going through a dog and pony show so that your employers can say that you resigned and weren't fired.

It's worse to have to completely ignored by your owner and GM, while they drag out your firing in an attempt to get you to do something that they can hold against you in arbitration for the money they still owe you. Being forced to meet the press on the roadside outside of the training center because they wouldn't let you talk to the press on team property is pretty disgusting as well.

What goes around, comes around.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by TrueBlue:




That's why I want every one of them gone. I said the other day the guy isn't even coaching them anymore in terms of in game effort.

I feel the same way really. Also to anyone that is happy the kids are playing....you have to realize that in this environment they are not gaining anything from playing. They're not learning anything because they have no leadership - nobody is teaching them anything - they're just out there going 1-1 and going through the motions just as our fat stupid lazy vets did all year.

That's not experience you can build on.


As to Isiah - well - Dolan is giving him the Larry Brown treatment. I wonder if Isiah realizes he's now being treated how HE treated those before him? Probably not he probably still has his reasoning for treating those coaches and players like **** and thinks he's being wronged for no good reason.

Well, screw you Isiah, please have lunch with a crosstown bus then meet a woodchipper for dinner.

I have zero respect for this clown.

I agree. Let's keep it real if there was any leader on this team or quote unquote true good guys they wouldn't allow this kind of environment amongst their colleagues\themselves. Remember the majority of the group that's left were the one who led a Palace Coupe march to I SAY UGH'S office to trash Larry. I'm not referencing this to stick up for LB but showing the mentality of who's on our roster. You better believe Lee, Nate, Frye, and other young players were a part of the march. Prime example of no leadership and a bunch of punk followers. If I was on the team there's no way I would have been a part of either activity..... marching against LB to I SAY UGH'S office or making silly faces at I SAY UGH on the bench. Then let's add the in game F-BOMBS they were dropping on their coach, fighting each other on the bench and in showers, the laughing, telling jokes on the bench while enjoying 20gms + of 20pt losses. I've seen every player a part of all or any combination of these wack actions.

I get a kick too when people say things like "let's draft Rose and get a leader in here." We expect some rookie who's accomplished nothing in this league to come to a team with egomaniacs, players who'll be playing for contracts next yr, are malcontents, lazy, have poor work ethics, and the worst habits in all of basketball to lead them? Well Jamal as nice as he comes across didn't lead and he had several yrs of experience in the league. Lee another supposed good guy who does work hard but he hasn't managed to lead either. What about Malik a player who has been a leader in his career, forget about it. Q used to be a leader but sold out to the masses this yr in particular. There will be no leader until we get rid of every trace of bacterial killing agent and unfortunately since everyone appears infected or is infecting well they all must go.


I want any fan right now to tell me what player on this team besides Rose has came out and publicly held himself and the team accountable, not just this yr but over the past couple seasons for their results.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-19-2008 10:58 AM]

So what I'm hearing is re-sign Morris, keep Craw, Lee, Nate, Balkman, and Chandler. I guess Mardy is our young pawn to couple with the unwanted in trades. Good luck with this frame of thinking because we'll lose

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by TrueBlue:




That's why I want every one of them gone. I said the other day the guy isn't even coaching them anymore in terms of in game effort.

I feel the same way really. Also to anyone that is happy the kids are playing....you have to realize that in this environment they are not gaining anything from playing. They're not learning anything because they have no leadership - nobody is teaching them anything - they're just out there going 1-1 and going through the motions just as our fat stupid lazy vets did all year.

That's not experience you can build on.


As to Isiah - well - Dolan is giving him the Larry Brown treatment. I wonder if Isiah realizes he's now being treated how HE treated those before him? Probably not he probably still has his reasoning for treating those coaches and players like **** and thinks he's being wronged for no good reason.

Well, screw you Isiah, please have lunch with a crosstown bus then meet a woodchipper for dinner.

I have zero respect for this clown.

I agree. Let's keep it real if there was any leader on this team or quote unquote true good guys they wouldn't allow this kind of environment amongst their colleagues\themselves. Remember the majority of the group that's left were the one who led a Palace Coupe march to I SAY UGH'S office to trash Larry. I'm not referencing this to stick up for LB but showing the mentality of who's on our roster. You better believe Lee, Nate, Frye, and other young players were a part of the march. Prime example of no leadership and a bunch of punk followers. If I was on the team there's no way I would have been a part of either activity..... marching against LB to I SAY UGH'S office or making silly faces at I SAY UGH on the bench. Then let's add the in game F-BOMBS they were dropping on their coach, fighting each other on the bench and in showers, the laughing, telling jokes on the bench while enjoying 20gms + of 20pt losses. I've seen every player a part of all or any combination of these wack actions.

I get a kick too when people say things like "let's draft Rose and get a leader in here." We expect some rookie who's accomplished nothing in this league to come to a team with egomaniacs, players who'll be playing for contracts next yr, are malcontents, lazy, have poor work ethics, and the worst habits in all of basketball to lead them? Well Jamal as nice as he comes across didn't lead and he had several yrs of experience in the league. Lee another supposed good guy who does work hard but he hasn't managed to lead either. What about Malik a player who has been a leader in his career, forget about it. Q used to be a leader but sold out to the masses this yr in particular. There will be no leader until we get rid of every trace of bacterial killing agent and unfortunately since everyone appears infected or is infecting well they all must go.


I want any fan right now to tell me what player on this team besides Rose has came out and publicly held himself and the team accountable, not just this yr but over the past couple seasons for their results.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-19-2008 10:58 AM]

TB: good post, but how do you expect guys like lee and balkman and other young players to be the voice on this team of malcontent vets... Vets who disrespect the coach.... I don't agree with placing the blame on everyone, there are a select few, we probably know who they are.... I just find this situation disgusting... I think there are a few salvagable players. Nate, lee, balkman,crawford but other than that... this thing needs an enema in the worst way..

You keep all those players, you won't be able to trade anybody left on the team. We can't keep what many dupe as salvageable parts, yet improve the roster. Not in case you're talking about sacrificing picks and let's not go this route again. If Zach, Curry, Marbury, James, Q, and Eff can't get us expirings from their contracts alone and their contacts run for a couple yrs at minimum, how are you going to surround your salvageable parts with the necessary players to create an environment they can thrive in? Makes no sense whatsoever. You use your salvageable parts as bait or use the picks and couple it with the trash, otherwise stomach bringing back 90% of the roster next yr.

The first part of your post was touched on in my post by the Derrick Rose example, although for the most part if all 4 of those players got together and led as a group, instead of followed, or stand by the side and do nothing, they could have eliminated some things. More passing the buck is what I read, although I know it wasn't your intention.


So what I'm hearing is re-sign Morris, keep Craw, Lee, Nate, Balkman, and Chandler. I guess Mardy is our young pawn to couple with the unwanted in trades. Good luck with this frame of thinking because we'll lose.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-19-2008 11:59 AM]

I feel you, but I would like to keep lee and nate.. If balkman, collins and mardy is what we have to deal with as trade pawns to get rid of some of this garbage, then I am all for it, but I just can't dump all of them, what do you propose doing once we empty the team of all players? do you think we are going to sell to the fans, moving guys like lee and nate, to get rid of zach and curry and then brining in expirings, who most likely are going to be other malcontents playing out their contracts...

We have to get the best returns as possible. At this point I don't know what the realistic ones are. Our goal If we give up Lee, Craw or Nate would be to get back first rounders for them(15-25 range). The other young players possibly very low first rounders or maybe a couple second rounders a piece. The players with horrible contracts try and trade them for lesser players on shorter deals. You tell the fans we're going to do this the right way and rebuild and continue to support the team. We may have to take back certain players we don't want and create the right packages to help our future 2yrs from now. I'm not too enamored with the idea having 2 players going for deals next yr with this current environmment.

Posted by nysportsfan11:

Fuck him. He made his bed and ****ed over many more people from the NBA to the CBA and back again in his wake. If guys display no sense of leadership or professionalism, he has no further to look for blame than the guy in the mirror who made them who they are. Overpaid bitch ass babies.

He's finally getting his just due and he better hold on to this job for all its worth because it will certainly be his last running a team unless he finds an ******* bigger than himself and Dolan combined in the future. The way he did Chaney and Wilkins is what was disgusting. I didn't and still don't even like Larry Brown and that was a damn mess. The way he came in and treated each and every individual who worked in that organization for years was ridiculous.

His lack of knowledge, respect and general give a ****-ness regarding the history of this once proud franchise located in the MECCA of basketball for pete's sake should be enough to kick his West Side of Chicago ass back to the ****ing Midwest. We're not Detroit. We're not Indiana. We're damn sure not Chicago. Regardless of how low the bar has been set thanks to him and Layden, we're still NY and people in this organization need to start acting like it.

You don't treat people like **** and then expect anyone to have sympathy for you, especially in an environment like the NBA where the man who hired you (Walsh) may one day be replacing you. Or the man you disrespected as a player (Bird) may one day be firing you. Or the man you can't stop talking about (Layden) may have better job security in this league than you. Or the man (Marbury) you mortgaged a future for and alienated hard working players for may be your downfall.

Isiah should be forced to coach out the rest of the season, made to go through pre-draft workouts and then escorted out of the building TWICE by security with every news channel camera in the state present while Anucha, Jeff Nix, Mike Saunders, Kurt Thomas and Dikembe Mutombo commentate the damn proceedings. Fuck him.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by TrueBlue:




That's why I want every one of them gone. I said the other day the guy isn't even coaching them anymore in terms of in game effort.

I feel the same way really. Also to anyone that is happy the kids are playing....you have to realize that in this environment they are not gaining anything from playing. They're not learning anything because they have no leadership - nobody is teaching them anything - they're just out there going 1-1 and going through the motions just as our fat stupid lazy vets did all year.

That's not experience you can build on.


As to Isiah - well - Dolan is giving him the Larry Brown treatment. I wonder if Isiah realizes he's now being treated how HE treated those before him? Probably not he probably still has his reasoning for treating those coaches and players like **** and thinks he's being wronged for no good reason.

Well, screw you Isiah, please have lunch with a crosstown bus then meet a woodchipper for dinner.

I have zero respect for this clown.

I agree. Let's keep it real if there was any leader on this team or quote unquote true good guys they wouldn't allow this kind of environment amongst their colleagues\themselves. Remember the majority of the group that's left were the one who led a Palace Coupe march to I SAY UGH'S office to trash Larry. I'm not referencing this to stick up for LB but showing the mentality of who's on our roster. You better believe Lee, Nate, Frye, and other young players were a part of the march. Prime example of no leadership and a bunch of punk followers. If I was on the team there's no way I would have been a part of either activity..... marching against LB to I SAY UGH'S office or making silly faces at I SAY UGH on the bench. Then let's add the in game F-BOMBS they were dropping on their coach, fighting each other on the bench and in showers, the laughing, telling jokes on the bench while enjoying 20gms + of 20pt losses. I've seen every player a part of all or any combination of these wack actions.

I get a kick too when people say things like "let's draft Rose and get a leader in here." We expect some rookie who's accomplished nothing in this league to come to a team with egomaniacs, players who'll be playing for contracts next yr, are malcontents, lazy, have poor work ethics, and the worst habits in all of basketball to lead them? Well Jamal as nice as he comes across didn't lead and he had several yrs of experience in the league. Lee another supposed good guy who does work hard but he hasn't managed to lead either. What about Malik a player who has been a leader in his career, forget about it. Q used to be a leader but sold out to the masses this yr in particular. There will be no leader until we get rid of every trace of bacterial killing agent and unfortunately since everyone appears infected or is infecting well they all must go.I want any fan right now to tell me what player on this team besides Rose has came out and publicly held himself and the team accountable, not just this yr but over the past couple seasons for their results.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-19-2008 10:58 AM]

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Bippity10:

Isiah set this culture in place by the way he treated the last 3 coaches. It was bound to happen to him. It's human nature. Once the culture is set it remains in place until you actively change it.

Another great point!

Posted by islesfan:

TrueBlue said it perfectly.

This is why people say this needs to be blown up.