Posted by Cosmic:

Isn't a little early in the day to be drinking, 4949?

Isn't it a little late to be making excuses?

You just can't fix this group, man, you can't.

What you have to do:

Fire Isiah
Buy out Marbury, Malik, James
Do your best to turn Crawful, Zach, Curry into 2009 and 2010 expiring deals. Doesn't matter what players come back you're looking for shorter contracts that's all. Maybe you get a pick or two or get a servicable kid on a rookie deal when you do these trades.
Draft with the 08 and 09 picks and play them with the kids.

By the summer of 2010 what do you have? Maybe a re-signed David Lee, the 08 and 09 rookies still on their rookie deals, CAP SPACE, and QBrick and Ared Effries.


Now...NOW you have a platform from which you can build a team from! This is where you ADD players!

That will afford us a chance to build a winning team for the future.


You can't take this bucket of **** and add a little salt and pass it off as a gourmet sauce! That's just not going to happen.

Bite the bullet, tear down the mess, play and develop the kids while the mess comes off the cap, then when the cap is clear, the kids are up and coming, now you add to a nice core of players.

THATS a winning formula.

Posted by BasketballJones:

I'm trying to find out how you really feel, but I'm not sure. Could you possibly find a larger font?

Also, another way to emphasize your point would be to use both all-caps and the largest font available.

Thanks.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 03-19-2008 12:01]

..and color, like maybe bright red. use no puncuation and add in all the formatting possible!


4949 THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS MESS IS TO TEAR IT ALL DOWN WAIT OUT THE CONTRACTS PLAY THE KIDS IN THE MEANTIME AND THEN BUILD FROM SCRATCH IN A COUPLE OF YEARS

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by BasketballJones:

I'm trying to find out how you really feel, but I'm not sure. Could you possibly find a larger font?

Also, another way to emphasize your point would be to use both all-caps and the largest font available.

Thanks.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 03-19-2008 12:01]

..and color, like maybe bright red. use no puncuation and add in all the formatting possible!

4949 THE ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS MESS IS TO TEAR IT ALL DOWN WAIT OUT THE CONTRACTS PLAY THE KIDS IN THE MEANTIME AND THEN BUILD FROM SCRATCH IN A COUPLE OF YEARS

That's exactly the right way to do it, but if you want a real shot at being instant respect, this is one way to do it. At least you gave some kind of idea of what 'can be done', instead of making excuses.

I challenge everyone hear to come up with a major plan to make this team respectful. Firing dolan is next to impossible, but we have a new chance to get rid of isiah and lots of possibilities. Any takers on the Arenas, Brand and Kobe scenario? Any ideas on how to make this happen? It's really the next best thing waiting in line.

And I think I made my point clear. Afterall, L.A. once again is making a pitch at another star. With change coming our way, we have that chance also.

[Edited by - 4949 on 03-19-2008 12:15 PM]

Posted by 4949:




That's exactly the right way to do it, but if you want a real shot at being instant respect, this is one way to do it. At least you gave some kind of idea of what 'can be done', instead of making excuses.

I challenge everyone hear to come up with a major plan to make this team respectful. Firing dolan is next to impossible, but we have a new chance to get rid of isiah and lots of possibilities. Any takers on the Arenas, Brand and Kobe scenario? Any ideas on how to make this happen? It's really the next best thing waiting in line.

And I think I made my point clear. Afterall, L.A. once again is making a pitch at another star. With change coming our way, we have that chance also.

[Edited by - 4949 on 03-19-2008 12:15 PM]

Well, you've seen my plan. Not saying it would work or is a realistic time frame for it but I firmly believe it would give us the best shot at watching a good team anytime in the near future. Lets say the 2010-2011 season being exciting for us under that plan.



As to Arenass: Oh god no. He's a glorified Crawford by virtue of getting to the line and nothing more. Making our back court Arenass-Crawful is just plain horrible. No-defense-chuck-fest. Can't win with that you just can't.

As to Kobe: Do whatever you can to position yourself to get Kobe Bryant. It's a no brainer except for the fact that NBA max contracts do not line up well with the salary cap - meaning - if you max a guy out you have a hard time adding good pieces around that player. Yet, you go for Kobe if he's there NO doubt.

As to Brand: Love the kid. Peekskill product. Great player. Does everything right. Yet I would worry about that ruptured tendon and what that means for his future health. Outside of that sure if he's healthy you make a play for him.


However, once again I stand by my POV that what we have here is not a core that you could or would want to add to. Just my opinion....

Well, you've seen my plan. Not saying it would work or is a realistic time frame for it but I firmly believe it would give us the best shot at watching a good team anytime in the near future. Lets say the 2010-2011 season being exciting for us under that plan.

Yes, agreed. But it never goes this way. The brass, the fans don't have the patience (I know excuses) to build in this fashion. So a quick put together of proven stars is another option. Maybe not this time, but the next round of stars that become available.

As to Arenass: Oh god no. He's a glorified Crawford by virtue of getting to the line and nothing more. Making our back court Arenass-Crawful is just plain horrible. No-defense-chuck-fest. Can't win with that you just can't.

We're not exactly winning with what we have now either. And besides, Arenas is on a .500 club. I will say though, he's horrible at turning over the ball. Okay, not this guy then. And there's really not much in the free agency after these guys anyway. A poor free agency. I will continue to make my point about going after star players.

Basically, you made the point that these guy suck, but I still want to hear people talk about how we can get star players on this team and stop making excuses. For instance, Kobe is a real shot' and the excuse of not being able to build around him' to me is nonsence. What's it gonna take to match up the contracts?

After all of this, this management the last 11 seasons now is really, really stupid. I always knew that, but it becomes apparent more and more. I mean just stupid for not setting up for the future. Just stupid for making some horrible (and obvouse to the whole world) moves. I mean I remember a lot of fans (these are fans' I'm talking about, not management) knew that Curry, James, starbury, Q, Rose where all bad moves. They where right! I personally knew Curry would be a really bad move. Talk about God awful?

Some fans even knew we would suck for years to come and guess what? Years have now passed and look at us! The fans 'as a whole' really seem to know what's best for this team. Or at least knows what's gonna suck.

But my point is, why after what' five, six decades have they all made all the right moves (L.A. & Boston), to get some of the greatest players and win all of those championships and we? We? We barely have anything to show for it all.

I mean this is my whole point. We've excused ourselves, one generation after another generation from talking about real stars in this town and real change to get a piece of the pie. I'm not just talking about now or even the last ten years. It all is adding up and I still' see nothing but excuses. If not our own, then someone else's. Reason's why we can't have a great plan to make this team a contender for 'DECADES' to come.

Am I wrong for complaining and trying to make waves on this view? Why is there no charge into the battlefield to win the battle for victory? I know that's a little over dramatic, but come on! Where the hell is everyone on this? This is self defeatus attitude, conditioned to beleive that we can't. I understnad when there's restrictions, but I don't understand how L.A. and Boston do it and we're left in the dust again.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by 4949:

But my point is, why after what' five, six decades have they all made all the right moves (L.A. & Boston), to get some of the greatest players and win all of those championships and we? We? We barely have anything to show for it all.

I mean this is my whole point. We've excused ourselves, one generation after another generation from talking about real stars in this town and real change to get a piece of the pie. I'm not just talking about now or even the last ten years. It all is adding up and I still' see nothing but excuses. If not our own, then someone else's. Reason's why we can't have a great plan to make this team a contender for 'DECADES' to come.

Am I wrong for complaining and trying to make waves on this view? Why is there no charge into the battlefield to win the battle for victory? I know that's a little over dramatic, but come on! Where the hell is everyone on this? This is self defeatus attitude, conditioned to beleive that we can't. I understnad when there's restrictions, but I don't understand how L.A. and Boston do it and we're left in the dust again.

Wait what? There are other ways of winning a Championship (which last time I checked Boston has yet to do) then acquiring a bunch of all-stars. SA isn't this super stacked team with incredible talent and Detroit is definetly not a glitz and glamour type team. See thats what your not understanding you think a couple of players can come in here and voila the Knicks have a title. The Knicks need to just take it one step at a time shave away piece by piece of this monstrosity that Isiah built then go from there. Right now the Knicks need to focus on digging themselves out of this current mess.

In answer to your question? YES, I do' think the Knicks can win a championship! With this bunch? Hell no! I'm not crazy.

On top of everything you just said they also had a pretty good, unselfish, vet in Paul Pierce that they could add those guys to.

And why can't we' do that?

[Edited by - 4949 on 03-19-2008 4:10 PM]

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by 4949:

On top of everything you just said they also had a pretty good, unselfish, vet in Paul Pierce that they could add those guys to.

And why can't we' do that?

[Edited by - 4949 on 03-19-2008 4:10 PM]

I think my post explained why, but you seemed to just respond with "Excuses" which did not make any sense. It is not an excuse, it is a fact. That's all there is to it. You seem to be discounting pure logic because you feel that any team can do what the Celtics did. No, it just doesn't work that way. And why did you even mention the Lakers earlier? They added a piece to a contending team. Memphis was just looking to unload and they gave Gasol away for an expiring. If we brought Gasol here for example, we would still suck. But Gasol and Kobe is a different story. I think in all of your ranting you cannot see that what you're saying is impossible to do at this point in time and would be a dumb ass approach in the first place. Both Layden and Isiah took the "win now" approach and we've been losing for 7 straight years because of it. You know how they say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Well, this **** has been broke for ****ing YEARS and it needs some fixing. Following the same losing plan would just be idiotic at this point.

You know why it doesn't make any sense to you? Because you don't know what it is to win a championship in the NBA. I thought I was going crazy here, but I think I can see why people don't understand. Why you's don't actually understand about winning the whole thing. You never felt that enjoyment. You never felt it, so how can you know to want it? You can't. Why would building the 'right way' instead of the wrong way make any sense. It dones't. I can see now.

It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't understand this either.

49, i'm not making excuses, i'm just telling u what reality is... buying out contracts does nothing to alleviate our horrendous cap situation... the only thing it does is free up a roster spot... like i said, unless u want to let D Lee & Nate walk after their rookie contracts expire & can somehow miraculously trade off our crap longterm contracts for expirings, this team will not have any viable cap space to sign a bigname FA until after 2011... 1 reason why i've proposed so many deals for aging veterans w/1 less year remaining on their deals than some of our guys has been to address this issue, but most of the posters here aren't hearing that... they expect star players in trades or they don't want to make any deals at all, regardless if it would help the cap situation or not... that's their prerogative... i can't blame anyone for being sour on the idea of Isiah making any more trades while he's our GM.