Posted by MS:

I love this starphucking concept. Does anyone that makes claims like this watch basketball. Ron Artest is one of the best ****ing players in the nba and might be attainable for the midlevel or eddy curry. I can't understand why people are against this. This is actually low risk, high reward. It's not a typical Knick move, the guy changes your entire team dynamic.

Ron Artest, Kyle Lowry, a good draft pick, a good head coach thats a great start. At this point it's time to get rid of crawford there is a contender out there that needs a third guard and he would be a great option, especially out in the west. Pietrus i have alway liked and think he just needs the right system but i doubt that we are it. Zach/Lee needs to be our frontcourt, Balkman needs minutes, Nate needs minutes, maybe we can do an eddy curry/mardy collins for darko/lowry which solves two needs...and lets not compare one of the three best defensive players in all of basketball to marbury or zach its just plain stupid. And lets remember its the east

This month he's playing like a great impact player, next month he'll be a team cancer. You have to look at the bigger picture, not one brief good stretch with Ron Ron.

Posted by fishmike:

no downside to Artest for the MLE

He is a headcase yes, but few brings what he brings. Also most his issue with teammates have been over guys not working hard enough or playing hard enough

No team has been able to sucessfully incorporate him for a full season. Do you really want him on the books (against our cap) for six years? Why not spend the MLE on a young guy with upside without all the character baggage? I think you and Briggs are gonna be surprised to see smart organizations like San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix all staying miles away from Ron.

I love Artest. In a different time and different place I would love him on my team. But with the current state of the Knicks he is a huuuuuuuuuge risk. Let's say you start to see progress in 2 years and all of a sudden this cat looses his head and brings the circus back to NY. What does that do to your team?

precisely nalod. if donnie walsh comes to the knicks, i'm not sure where he would stand on artest given the whole malace at the palace incident. if walsh was GM, skiles was head coach and they were moving in a defense-first direction, you have to throw the entire MLE at the guy. he's a top-5 2-way player in the NBA. as MS said, its low-risk high-reward and if you brought in artest and lowry (along with the management and coaching changes), the culture of this team changes immediately.

Thats why you need to move Curry, he still has value for an expiring contract that would make a big difference to the lineup in itself.

Crawford has good value right now and needs to be moved which takes away two of the worst three defenders on the team.

I would look long and hard at lowry and I think you could do a swap with balkman who is good put no sure about his focus. You then make a decision on Marbury.

Call the Hawks and see if they would do a sign and trade with Childress, maybe Chandler/Curry, they need a center, I would even take speedys contract, thats not out of the question. And then sign artest to the mid-level

Lowry/Marbury?
Artest/Nate
Childress/Q
Zach
Lee

Plus our draft selection. I think you can get lowry, childress maybe tough but thats not out of the question. You add a new GM/Coach and get back to basics I like that team a lot

they probably will be bonn, denver must be kicking themselves in the ass for not pulling the trigger on the kleiza/najera trade. artest, however, has expressed interest in playing for the knicks about a million times. presuming the situation in the offseason does not involve isiah and there is someone who wants to make this team defense-first and mentally tougher, artest has to be considered.

Yeah, I already get the point that YOU think they'd be smart to go after crazy Ron. What I'm waiting to see is whether smart teams actually DO go after him or does only the worst run team in the league go after him?

I believe Artest is mentally unstable and may have a chemical imbalance. If this is the case he would not improve or mature with age. Remember he reportedly used to have fits of rage where he punched metal and cement walls in Indiana when Thomas was the coach. I think Isiah could have brought him to NY on several occasions if he had wanted him.