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EnySpree
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3/14/2008  7:52 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will it be the pick we select or is it one or a core of players currently on the roster?

Is this a baited question?

Obviously the Knicks have to keep the young players and dump the old ones plus Q. Curry or Zach have to go......duh....

The question is "who are we building around" the answer is nobody. All the rest is just back and forth bull**** about how you are right and anything anyone else says is wrong.

I like Bitty's answer cuz there is no other answer. Knicks have to keep the kids and just keep adding on till they can make a move or find someone in the draft that you can build around.


Where is the back-and-forth in this thread? When did I say I was right and someone else was wrong?

As soon as I jumped in the thread

Ah I just had a hard day man.....my cow died and I have no idea how I'm gonna eat cereal tomorrow morning....its gonna **** up my entire day.

In other words......I'm bored....and this topic is pretty much a dead discussion since there is nothing to really discuss.
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3/14/2008  10:26 PM
Posted by bitty41:

True,

I think I can answer for the majority of people on this site. We build around our young core of Lee, Balkman, Robinson, Chandler, and Morris unload all the over-paid, fat, malcontent vets, then we draft a top pick and use him as the center piece.

Second. But I think he means the year after. We will eat poopy cereal for another year
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3/14/2008  10:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will it be the pick we select or is it one or a core of players currently on the roster?

We should build around Isiah firing.
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3/15/2008  9:23 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will it be the pick we select or is it one or a core of players currently on the roster?

As far as I can see, the only guy worth building around is Lee. And Lee's not the kind of guy you build around. As a matter of fact, it's guys like Lee you build around someone else and we ain't got nobody else.
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3/15/2008  9:29 AM
Posted by Siar617:

trading lee for a pick looks more and more enticing

We drafted Lee and found someone who can be developed, only to trade him for another pick, who we'll have to develop again? I thought we were buidling a core here?
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3/15/2008  10:37 AM
Posted by bitty41:

True,

I think I can answer for the majority of people on this site. We build around our young core of Lee, Balkman, Robinson, Chandler, and Morris unload all the over-paid, fat, malcontent vets, then we draft a top pick and use him as the center piece.

Pretty much agree. We might have to trade Lee or Nate and package them with a vet to get rid of some players (like Jeffries, who has no value) but really only the young guys should stay. I would not mind keeping Crawford though. It is not easy to find guys who can score like him. Curry, Randolph, Q, Rose, and definitely Marbury need to go.
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3/15/2008  11:07 AM
I agree on building around a Lee, Balkman, Chandler, Morris, Collins, Crawford and yes, even Nate if we have to. And whoever else we got coming in the draft.

The rest of these losers need to go.
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3/15/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by bitty41:

True,

I think I can answer for the majority of people on this site. We build around our young core of Lee, Balkman, Robinson, Chandler, and Morris unload all the over-paid, fat, malcontent vets, then we draft a top pick and use him as the center piece.

Pretty much agree. We might have to trade Lee or Nate and package them with a vet to get rid of some players (like Jeffries, who has no value) but really only the young guys should stay. I would not mind keeping Crawford though. It is not easy to find guys who can score like him. Curry, Randolph, Q, Rose, and definitely Marbury need to go.

Jamal is NOT a good scorer. If you take almost any starting SG and put him on a bad team, play him over 41 mpg, and let him take 18 shots a game, he will average at least 20 PPG.
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3/15/2008  11:47 AM

M. Redd, MIL 23.5 7.9-17.5
J. Johnson, ATL 21.2 7.6-18.3
J. Richardson, CHA 20.8 7.6-17.4
J. Crawford, 20.7 7.2-17.6
V. Carter, NJN 20.2 7.4-16.6
B. Roy, POR 19.7 7.4-16.2

Seems to be holding his own.................
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3/15/2008  11:54 AM
Posted by Anji:


M. Redd, MIL 23.5 7.9-17.5
J. Johnson, ATL 21.2 7.6-18.3
J. Richardson, CHA 20.8 7.6-17.4
J. Crawford, 20.7 7.2-17.6
V. Carter, NJN 20.2 7.4-16.6
B. Roy, POR 19.7 7.4-16.2

Seems to be holding his own.................

Please. Those guys are sharing the ball with talented scorers on winning teams in most cases. If you put those guys on a .300 team, gave them 42 minutes, and gave them freedom to shoot whenever they wanted, they'd average 25 PPG. If you asked GMs to rank those players, I'd be shocked if any (besides Isiah) put Jamal anywhere but last. (Jamal's PPG per FGA/game is worse than those players' are anyway. So I'm not even sure what your point is.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-15-2008 11:56 AM]
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3/15/2008  12:32 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:



Please. Those guys are sharing the ball with talented scorers on winning teams in most cases. If you put those guys on a .300 team, gave them 42 minutes, and gave them freedom to shoot whenever they wanted, they'd average 25 PPG. If you asked GMs to rank those players, I'd be shocked if any (besides Isiah) put Jamal anywhere but last. (Jamal's PPG per FGA/game is worse than those players' are anyway. So I'm not even sure what your point is.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-15-2008 11:56 AM]


Seems to be holding his own..............
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3/15/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by Bonn1997:



Please. Those guys are sharing the ball with talented scorers on winning teams in most cases. If you put those guys on a .300 team, gave them 42 minutes, and gave them freedom to shoot whenever they wanted, they'd average 25 PPG. If you asked GMs to rank those players, I'd be shocked if any (besides Isiah) put Jamal anywhere but last. (Jamal's PPG per FGA/game is worse than those players' are anyway. So I'm not even sure what your point is.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-15-2008 11:56 AM]


Seems to be the worst player on my list
Corrected above
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3/15/2008  3:10 PM
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3/15/2008  6:18 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will it be the pick we select or is it one or a core of players currently on the roster?

Is this a baited question?

Obviously the Knicks have to keep the young players and dump the old ones plus Q. Curry or Zach have to go......duh....

The question is "who are we building around" the answer is nobody. All the rest is just back and forth bull**** about how you are right and anything anyone else says is wrong.

I like Bitty's answer cuz there is no other answer. Knicks have to keep the kids and just keep adding on till they can make a move or find someone in the draft that you can build around.

of course it's a baited question... TB has made his opinions very clear on how he feels about the players on this roster yet he feels the need to post a thread asking others for their opinions simply so he can either tell them how wrong they are for feeling that way or give himself & his buddies a chance to make the little jab remarks at the players on this roster... it's old hat w/this guy.

the essential point behind bitty's remark & isles' reply was essentially the same... our main hope lies in acquiring a guy to use as the centerpiece to build around through the draft this year... all the other guys we have are supplementary pieces that you fit around that player... that's pretty much obvious to everyone.
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3/15/2008  9:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Will it be the pick we select or is it one or a core of players currently on the roster?

Is this a baited question?

Obviously the Knicks have to keep the young players and dump the old ones plus Q. Curry or Zach have to go......duh....

The question is "who are we building around" the answer is nobody. All the rest is just back and forth bull**** about how you are right and anything anyone else says is wrong.

I like Bitty's answer cuz there is no other answer. Knicks have to keep the kids and just keep adding on till they can make a move or find someone in the draft that you can build around.

of course it's a baited question... TB has made his opinions very clear on how he feels about the players on this roster yet he feels the need to post a thread asking others for their opinions simply so he can either tell them how wrong they are for feeling that way or give himself & his buddies a chance to make the little jab remarks at the players on this roster... it's old hat w/this guy.

the essential point behind bitty's remark & isles' reply was essentially the same... our main hope lies in acquiring a guy to use as the centerpiece to build around through the draft this year... all the other guys we have are supplementary pieces that you fit around that player... that's pretty much obvious to everyone.


It seriously wasn't a baited question. You appear to be misinterpreting Isles reply hence he said he doesn't consider them part of the core the players bitty41 listed as his core.

My reply to bitty41 was filled with plenty of questions. I never refuted anything bitty41 stated or disagreed with anyone in the thread with exception to the point Isles made about the approach taken on how we draft. Plus I never specified a specific core.

This is just another example of you putting your foot in your mouth like you've done for about the past week.



Let's say DeAndre Jordan and Thabeet are on the board when we select.


Example 1

If we're building around one or a core of players still and that core consist, for the purpose of example(Curry, Lee, and Crawford) logic says you draft Thabeet because he'd complement this core better than Jordan. IMO I wouldn't look at someone such as Thabeet as a centerpiece


Example 2

If we're building around the pick logic says you go with Jordan, who more than likely is a project with huge upside(a la Bynum) and it's irrelevant who's currently on the roster. If the current pieces prove to work in building around Jordan then so be it, if not so what. I would look at someone like Jordan as a centerpiece.


Now in Example 1, It's not the approach I would take with the pick, if the pick is to be our centerpiece. If we were to go with Example 1 building around the example given core, I feel we should trade the pick and find a better player(s) to pair with such core.

Now in Example 2, if the pick is truly going to be a centerpiece, it's with the mindset this player will be here for the next decade, it's irrelevant who's currently on the roster. We shouldn't approach the draft and say "Well we have Lee, Balkman, and Nate here so we're picking this player as our centerpiece."



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-16-2008 5:45 PM]
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3/16/2008  2:00 PM
If Isiah is still here next year, he will build around Crawford. Last year it was Curry, then it was Marbury. The man is so whimsical its not even funny. It like the flavor of the day. Isiah doesn't have the patience to allow a player to be a franchise player and he doesn't have the skills to motivate players. One thing he does well is find ways to alienate players and coaches with his idiotic unprofessional mind games which destroys the team concept. There is nothing worse then to have a GM who is an egotistical moron.
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3/16/2008  6:31 PM
Okay are young players are in two categories. Role players on a crappy team or one step from the NBDL. Intially I stated that most people want us to build around our young core then draft some stud but this team would still be very much garbage.
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