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TMS
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3/12/2008  2:59 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously though, I don't think those scenario's present enough value for the Knicks to trade their most valuable trade asset, relatively speaking of course.

getting the #5 overall pick for David Lee isn't fair value to you from the Knicks' perspective? i woulda thought you'd rag someone for even daring to suggest it personally.

Scenario is Lee for #13 and Jack.
I don't know enough about the prospects in that area to say whether it's fair value, but I'd probably hold onto Lee unless it's a top 10 pick. Jack just doesn't impress me much.

sorry, misread it... my bad isles.
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3/12/2008  3:34 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously though, I don't think those scenario's present enough value for the Knicks to trade their most valuable trade asset, relatively speaking of course.

getting the #5 overall pick for David Lee isn't fair value to you from the Knicks' perspective? i woulda thought you'd rag someone for even daring to suggest it personally.

Scenario is Lee for #13 and Jack.
I don't know enough about the prospects in that area to say whether it's fair value, but I'd probably hold onto Lee unless it's a top 10 pick. Jack just doesn't impress me much.

sorry, misread it... my bad isles.

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3/12/2008  3:36 PM
so it shall be written... so it shall be done.
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3/12/2008  5:26 PM
Think that is a awful trade. How many guys in the this league average a double-double and havent had any coaching yet? Lee has learned everything on his own so you want a below average point guard and the 13th pick for a guy if you did his draft class again he would be top 6. You cant take Thabeet unless you get rid of Zach and Curry which isnt going to happen. You get rid of a big and draft Rose and sign a 3 man for a MLE that can guard.
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3/12/2008  6:07 PM
I'm not into trading DLee unless we get a top ten pick. Even then, I'm not sold on it, especially in this draft.

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3/12/2008  6:41 PM
more bad trades
and then you'd all kill thomas for this stupidity
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3/12/2008  7:02 PM
I think everyone must have their own vision in terms of how they see a team winning big. My own personal thoughts on how to win is by creating a team that can statistically get into the top 3 on the defensive side. Once I can get the defense down--I can add the right players that help get me over the hump defensively. I must have a post scorer. I must have three tough smart guards and one guy who can get me points off the bench in a big time way. I think the foundation of this starts in the frontcourt and I have certain types of athletes that I prefer. I like David Lee but he would only be my third guy upfront in the way I envision a team. I need a PF who can defend but also have a diversified skill set--David's game is to rigid. He's an explosive bench player OR a guy who can play next to a Tim Duncan type. Thats why he would fit in well with Portland hes young and he can play with either Oden or Aldridge.
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3/12/2008  9:18 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Pick 13 and Jarret Jack.

Pick 5 Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C
Pick 13 Jason Thompson 6-11 245 PF [anyone catch him play the other day? First time I saw him and was mightly impressed with his array of skills for his size]

That would fit the foundation of us being a defensive team with enormous size at the 5 and 4 positions yet both big guys can run.

Finally Briggs you caught on to what Jason Thompson is all about. I have been calling for him for some time now. What is impressive about Thompson is his shot blocking ability. I painted a senario where the Knicks can make out like bandits in this draft if they play their cards right. If luck is on the KNicks side which it seems never is, they can walk out of the draft with Beasley, Bayless and Thompson. Addressing many needs that can constitute a overhaul. Walking away with a sf, pf and a pg in this draft can happen. But the cards have to be right.


Trade Lee and crawford for a top 10 pick, Trade Zach and Nate for a bad contract and a 15-20 pick. This way if the Knicks are lucky they can take Beasley with their top pick, take Bayless with the other top 10 pick and take Thompson with the 15-20 pick. Everytime I watch Thompson play I think Horace Grant type pf with very good shot blocking ability.


[Edited by - Vmart on 03-12-2008 9:22 PM]
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3/12/2008  10:13 PM
Actually the best possible scenario is getting that 1 pick and swapping into the top 8 to get Thabeet using Lee as the bait for the trade. That would give the Knicks a combination of the best defensive and best offensive players in college basketball-both special in their own right.
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3/12/2008  10:28 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Pick 13 and Jarret Jack.

Pick 5 Hasheem Thabeet 7-3 265 C
Pick 13 Jason Thompson 6-11 245 PF [anyone catch him play the other day? First time I saw him and was mightly impressed with his array of skills for his size]

That would fit the foundation of us being a defensive team with enormous size at the 5 and 4 positions yet both big guys can run.

And here I thought zach and Jeffries where suppose to be a foundation of us being a defensive team. There isn't a move I can trust no longer with isiad-iot.
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3/12/2008  10:30 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by purple012870:

I know the knocks on him are abundant, but I would take Hansborough at 13 in that scenario.

Hell yeah



[Edited by - 4949 on 03-12-2008 10:31 PM]
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3/12/2008  10:32 PM
Posted by K22:

This is a bit OT, but doesn't Jarrett Jack have like one of the biggest domes in the league (next to Steph, of course) ?

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3/12/2008  11:07 PM
I know you aren't supposed to do big for small swaps, but how about David Lee for Sergio Rodriguez?
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3/13/2008  12:32 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I know you aren't supposed to do big for small swaps, but how about David Lee for Sergio Rodriguez?


I feel ya on this dude, I called for something similar over a month ago - actually I was thinking a little broader as in Sergio and Martell Webster for Lee and cap filler (Balkman, Chandler, etc...). I like Sergio's youth and the excitement he would undoubtedly bring. Armed with consistent PT I could see him calming down and really running the show. He's not as good a shooter, but with starter-type minutes I could see him being a sort of Steve Nash lite. A guy that you could definitely see being in the top 5-7 in the league in assists, maybe even better - he's that good a passer. Plus he likes to run and when you run you get easy buckets - another plus on our offensively challenged team. This guy will get the ball to the right people at the right time. In addition, he can score, either driving or shooting it (although you can tell he'd much rather look to distribute first with is nice to see) and although not know for his defense he has the size and the quickness to at least be adequate in this area. I mean, is Steve Nash known for his defense? Bottom line is I think he's got a bright future. Right now for him is that he doesn't get the PT in Portland he needs to develop properly and I don't see that changing any time soon, not with Steve Blake and Jarett Jack ahead of him on the depth chart (at least in McMillian's mind) and the selection of Taurean Green last year. So you could definitely see the Blazers making him available in a deal. He's a player that has the youth (here's a guy who's 3 yrs. younger than Lee - born in 1986) and a high enough ceiling to take a chance on - good call Commander, I'm with you on Sergio Rodriguez. Personally, I like him better than Jack as an option for the Knicks - he's 3 yrs. younger and has a much more natural ability and God-given talent. And if we're worried about defense at the point if we even brought Sergio over here and gave him the keys to the bus, maybe that's where Mardy Collins finally comes in. It's just a shame that we haven't really seen what Mardy can do on any consistent basis (you're ready to start the guy ahead of Marbury in Phoenix, Isiah, and now, with Marbury outta here for good in all likelyhood & after you created all this controversy, he doesn't even get off the bench for you??? Whatever Zeke....), but we've seen enough of him at Temple and during that stretch at the end of last year to know that the kid has excellent size and can really play some defense. Sergio Rodriguez backed up by Mardy Collins - well-balanced. That could work....

For David Lee and filler though, I'd want a little more in return. That's where Webster comes in. Although he starts in Portland, he doesn't appear to get the minutes, the touches and the shot attempts (especially in with the emergence of Travis Outlaw) to take his game to the next level. And again, like Rodriguez, I don't suddenly see that changing. But if we grabbed him and gave him 35-40 mins. per and more touches than he's getting now, look out. Ultra young, athletic with an excellent stroke from deep. Another guy I could see the Blazers making available in the right scenario.

Sergio Rodriguez and Webster - these could be our starting PG and SF for years to come.

Truth be told I do like Briggs' idea too though. And I agree totally in theory, you build it around defense. I like the idea of taking a chance on Thabeet if we wind up selecting 5 or below. And even though I like Sergio a little better than Jack personally, I wouldn't cry over a Lee for Jack/#13. That's fair (although we might have to sweeten it a little bit with a Balkman, Chandler etc. which I wouldn't let hold up any deal). I like the looks of this kid Thompson from Rider also Briggs. The only thing if we went this route with a Jack/Thabeet/Jason Thompson re-tooling is, what the hell do we do with the Curry/Randolph duo? That's the thing. If we ever succeeded in bringing a Thabeet/Thompson combo. here I'd wanting them playing right away and developing, not sitting behind Curry and Randolph collecting dust - I'm sure you'd agree Briggs. Or do we finally make use of the D-league like Golden State has done with a guy like Patrick O-Bryant? But we're on the right track here fellas - I like everyone's ideas on this thread a lot.




[Edited by - finestrg on 03-13-2008 12:37 AM]
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3/13/2008  12:56 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

[quote]Posted by SupremeCommander:

I know you aren't supposed to do big for small swaps, but how about David Lee for Sergio Rodriguez?


I feel ya on this dude, I called for something similar over a month ago - actually I was thinking a little broader as in Sergio and Martell Webster for Lee and cap filler (Balkman, Chandler, etc...). I like Sergio's youth and the excitement he would undoubtedly bring. Armed with consistent PT I could see him calming down and really running the show. He's not as good a shooter, but with starter-type minutes I could see him being a sort of Steve Nash lite. A guy that you could definitely see being in the top 5-7 in the league in assists, maybe even better - he's that good a passer. Plus he likes to run and when you run you get easy buckets - another plus on our offensively challenged team. This guy will get the ball to the right people at the right time. In addition, he can score, either driving or shooting it (although you can tell he'd much rather look to distribute first with is nice to see) and although not know for his defense he has the size and the quickness to at least be adequate in this area. I mean, is Steve Nash known for his defense? Bottom line is I think he's got a bright future. Right now for him is that he doesn't get the PT in Portland he needs to develop properly and I don't see that changing any time soon, not with Steve Blake and Jarett Jack ahead of him on the depth chart (at least in McMillian's mind) and the selection of Taurean Green last year. So you could definitely see the Blazers making him available in a deal. He's a player that has the youth (here's a guy who's 3 yrs. younger than Lee - born in 1986) and a high enough ceiling to take a chance on - good call Commander, I'm with you on Sergio Rodriguez. Personally, I like him better than Jack as an option for the Knicks - he's 3 yrs. younger and has a much more natural ability and God-given talent. And if we're worried about defense at the point if we even brought Sergio over here and gave him the keys to the bus, maybe that's where Mardy Collins finally comes in. It's just a shame that we haven't really seen what Mardy can do on any consistent basis (you're ready to start the guy ahead of Marbury in Phoenix, Isiah, and now, with Marbury outta here for good in all likelyhood & after you created all this controversy, he doesn't even get off the bench for you??? Whatever Zeke....), but we've seen enough of him at Temple and during that stretch at the end of last year to know that the kid has excellent size and can really play some defense. Sergio Rodriguez backed up by Mardy Collins - well-balanced. That could work....

For David Lee and filler though, I'd want a little more in return. That's where Webster comes in. Although he starts in Portland, he doesn't appear to get the minutes, the touches and the shot attempts (especially in with the emergence of Travis Outlaw) to take his game to the next level. And again, like Rodriguez, I don't suddenly see that changing. But if we grabbed him and gave him 35-40 mins. per and more touches than he's getting now, look out. Ultra young, athletic with an excellent stroke from deep. Another guy I could see the Blazers making available in the right scenario.

Sergio Rodriguez and Webster - these could be our starting PG and SF for years to come.

Truth be told I do like Briggs' idea too though. And I agree totally in theory, you build it around defense. I like the idea of taking a chance on Thabeet if we wind up selecting 5 or below. And even though I like Sergio a little better than Jack personally, I wouldn't cry over a Lee for Jack/#13. That's fair (although we might have to sweeten it a little bit with a Balkman, Chandler etc. which I wouldn't let hold up any deal). I like the looks of this kid Thompson from Rider also Briggs. The only thing if we went this route with a Jack/Thabeet/Jason Thompson re-tooling is, what the hell do we do with the Curry/Randolph duo? That's the thing. If we ever succeeded in bringing a Thabeet/Thompson combo. here I'd wanting them playing right away and developing, not sitting behind Curry and Randolph collecting dust - I'm sure you'd agree Briggs. Or do we finally make use of the D-league like Golden State has done with a guy like Patrick O-Bryant? But we're on the right track here fellas - I like everyone's ideas on this thread a lot.




No matter what we do we have contract commitment for a lot of these players who will make up a significant portion of the team again. There is no way out of this. You CAN retool the team UNDER the team that is here. There may be some lesser financial leeway by removing/releasing Jerome James and making only smallish type of player acquisition so that as you build players underneath--you also have a time line where we can fully go at it with cap space as well. My aim here is to copy what New Orleans did with West and Chandler--that just sets the foundation upfront--and over the next two years we can add players that fit the new system systematically while we wait for the contracts to subtract. There is no quick fix.
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6/25/2008  9:53 PM
Forget the picks in the trade but I think the trade in princible David Lee for pick 13 and Jack might be happening.

We did not have Dantoni so we would never take a 7-3 C and 6-11 PF no matter the case.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-25-2008 9:55 PM]
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6/25/2008  10:32 PM
hornets buying portland pick cash plus 27.
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