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7/9/2003  10:22 PM
I thought Mighty Mouse had a cataract problem.

I would this deal in a heartbeat. Not sure if Portland would do it though.
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7/9/2003  10:30 PM
That year, Spree was ballin off the bench to win a starting position the following year. But I feel the real Star was Camby with the rest of the team trying to ball for VG's job out of the closed door Jackson deal gone west.

Spree was unstopable back then, and probably out of our reach

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7/9/2003  11:05 PM
Posted by nyshakespeare:
Posted by Pike:

I'd rather throw in Frank Williams than trade away the rights to Vujanic.

As far as your comment... Stoudamire contract 2 years... Anderson/Eisley 2006/7... Damon vastly superior player... only problem... I'm sure Blazers are not that stupid... but again, it's all a moot point, as we've said... with the boy scout.

Layden needs to start doing 2 for 1 trades or just trades where we're taking back less players than are coming back to us. You need the roster flexibility to place Lampe & Vranes after the Knicks buy out their contracts and to sign players like Lenny Cooke or Marcus Hatten if they pan out in the Summer Leagues.

The Blazers may not be stupid but they are sick of being known as the Jail Blazers.

Agree about the need to CLEAR roster spots... however, easier said than done... and while I've been talking about the Blazers mandate to improve their bad boy image for some time... it doesn't mean they're going to accept LOUSY basketball players with horrible long term contracts (a la Anderson and Eisley) like some dreamers suggested earlier.

[Edited by - Pike on 07/09/2003 23:06:20]
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Agree about the need to CLEAR roster spots... however, easier said than done... and while I've been talking about the Blazers mandate to improve their bad boy image for some time... it doesn't mean they're going to accept LOUSY basketball players with horrible long term contracts (a la Anderson and Eisley) like some dreamers suggested earlier.

[Edited by - Pike on 07/09/2003 23:06:20]

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Layden (the boy scout) trading for Stoudamire (smoking a bone) ... yeah right... dream on.

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Posted by Pike:

I'd rather throw in Frank Williams than trade away the rights to Vujanic.

As far as your comment... Stoudamire contract 2 years... Anderson/Eisley 2006/7... Damon vastly superior player... only problem... I'm sure Blazers are not that stupid... but again, it's all a moot point, as we've said... with the boy scout.

I didn't say I'd throw in Vujanic; it was only Williams. What I was saying is that with the glut of PG's cleared, maybe it would sway Vujanic to come over here quicker.
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7/10/2003  8:18 AM
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7/10/2003  1:54 PM
Posted by playa2:

WILLIAMS WILL IMPROVE DRASTICALLY THIS YR AT THE POINT.

Did Tony Campbell tell you that too. He should be better than last year. If the KNicks gave him serious time last year they would have him ready to start this year. My gut feeling tells me that he will be slightly better. I hope he proves me wrong and takes over the starting job from Eisley and averages 15pts and 8 assists.
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7/10/2003  1:57 PM
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I didn't say I'd throw in Vujanic; it was only Williams. What I was saying is that with the glut of PG's cleared, maybe it would sway Vujanic to come over here quicker.
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You are hanging on to false hope. Vujanic ain't coming get over it. He has no intentions of playing in the NBA. He is just punkin the Knicks to get contracts in the Euro league nothing less and nothing more. Trade him while you can.
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7/10/2003  3:11 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I didn't say I'd throw in Vujanic; it was only Williams. What I was saying is that with the glut of PG's cleared, maybe it would sway Vujanic to come over here quicker.
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You are hanging on to false hope. Vujanic ain't coming get over it. He has no intentions of playing in the NBA. He is just punkin the Knicks to get contracts in the Euro league nothing less and nothing more. Trade him while you can.
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I'm with you Vmart. If anything, give up the right to him. Scouts say he's more of a 2 than a PG, so why would we need another 2? Anyway, if they can get Stoudamire for those two, and Layden DOESN'T do it, I would be the first to light the pire under his feet in the middle of Times Square. Anything...ANYTHING....that will get rid of those contracts helps.
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7/10/2003  3:40 PM
Vmart I see you bought the lie from Ares too. HA HA he sucked you in that one to. Man you don't know me or know who I know. Just because I know people who know professional players and Ares has been jealous of that for awhile.
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7/10/2003  3:56 PM
Posted by Vmart:


You are hanging on to false hope. Vujanic ain't coming get over it. He has no intentions of playing in the NBA. He is just punkin the Knicks to get contracts in the Euro league nothing less and nothing more. Trade him while you can.

Just because you repeat something does not make it a fact. A lot of European players make a business decision to stay in Europe for a few years to make money. Would you take less money for any job?...or get the most money being offered AND play close to home? If you are bitter because you feel Vujanic OWES the Knicks something, that is your problem. But if & when he comes over and leads the Knicks to more W's, don't fall on your ass jumping on his bandwagon.
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7/10/2003  4:03 PM
NYShakespeare... the voice of reason has finally arrived on the scene. Thank you.

[Edited by - Pike on 07/10/2003 16:45:48]
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7/10/2003  4:20 PM
vmart i wasn't the guy that caught playa lying, so it's not my story but at least 10 guys know about that one. one day playa told us he got the scoop from tony campbell. my boy who post here saw on another sight that the post was taken word for word from another dude named black bird that was talking to playa.

incidentally that was the like the 10th time we caught playa stealing some one's post.
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7/10/2003  4:21 PM
playa i cant believe you would lie like that and act like we didn't catch you.

thats classless. it just happened like three months ago.
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7/10/2003  5:03 PM
Posted by nyshakespeare:
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You are hanging on to false hope. Vujanic ain't coming get over it. He has no intentions of playing in the NBA. He is just punkin the Knicks to get contracts in the Euro league nothing less and nothing more. Trade him while you can.

Just because you repeat something does not make it a fact. A lot of European players make a business decision to stay in Europe for a few years to make money. Would you take less money for any job?...or get the most money being offered AND play close to home? If you are bitter because you feel Vujanic OWES the Knicks something, that is your problem. But if & when he comes over and leads the Knicks to more W's, don't fall on your ass jumping on his bandwagon.

The problem with you guys is your stroking his hype machine. The more you stroke it the more money he is gonna ask from Layden and the Knicks the more money he asks the worse off the organization is gonna be. The best thing you guys can do is stop stroking him. What I'm trying to say is you guys gotta let it go with if he comes over and what not. As far as I know the man ain't coming and has no intentions of coming to the Knicks. If the right deal comes along and Vujanic is mentioned I have no problem of letting him go because he may never come over I would rather have something for him than nothing. I'm sure he is a damn good player but what good is he to me if he isn't in orange and blue. You can think 3-4 years down the line if the guy is in your uniform but the fact that he isn't makes him all the more useless as a player. Only thing of value is his rights and the last time I went to a basketball game rights of a player scored zero points. If you can turn the rights into a player you do it. Especially if a player isn't going to come over.
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7/10/2003  8:23 PM
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The problem with you guys is your stroking his hype machine. The more you stroke it the more money he is gonna ask from Layden and the Knicks the more money he asks the worse off the organization is gonna be. The best thing you guys can do is stop stroking him. What I'm trying to say is you guys gotta let it go with if he comes over and what not. As far as I know the man ain't coming and has no intentions of coming to the Knicks. If the right deal comes along and Vujanic is mentioned I have no problem of letting him go because he may never come over I would rather have something for him than nothing. I'm sure he is a damn good player but what good is he to me if he isn't in orange and blue. You can think 3-4 years down the line if the guy is in your uniform but the fact that he isn't makes him all the more useless as a player. Only thing of value is his rights and the last time I went to a basketball game rights of a player scored zero points. If you can turn the rights into a player you do it. Especially if a player isn't going to come over.

VMart, why do you want Vujanic over here immediately? Is he going to help the Knicks lift a championship banner next year? One of the biggest problems Knicks management has had is not wanting to rebuild. They just focus on being good enough to get into the 1st rd of the playoffs so they can make their money. The Knicks finally draft a good young core to develop. Most experts say that Lampe & Vranes are 2-3 years away. So by the time Lampe has developed into a legit scoring threat in this league, Vujanic will come over & make the Knicks even better. It will be like signing a top flight free agent or getting a lottery pick. Let Sweetney & Lampe develop, sure we will lose some games but it will give the Knicks a better shot at the #1 pick next year, when a lot of good center prospects are coming out.

Look at Ginobilli, the Spurs waited 3 years for him to come over, and he was a big contributor to the Spurs championship run. They also paid him MORE than his slotted 2nd rd salary. I believe they gave him part of their MLE.

All that being said I would be in favor of the Knicks trading his rights if it gets am impact player, preferably a pivot man.
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As far as I know the man ain't coming and has no intentions of coming to the Knicks.

Why do you keep saying that he is in fact never coming over? Do you talk to him or his agent? Or have you read it somewhere? Because every article that I have read says that he wants to come over but the Knicks only want to pay 2nd rd money and that does not make good business sense for him to come over now. He was arguably the best player in Europe this year.

Come up with a link that Vujanic never intends to come over or go stroke yourself...
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7/10/2003  8:33 PM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/6295473
"Milos will play two years on a famous European club," Ristanovic said Thursday. "We know he can play in the NBA, but Milos is thinking, and I am too, his basketball career goes step by step. First step is Europe, next step New York."

The 22-year-old Vujanic, a Yugoslav point guard selected in the second round last year, is averaging 25 points this season for the Yugoslav club team Partizann. Ristanovic said the European team -- which he will not identify until Vujanic finishes the season in early June -- will buy out the Partizann contract.

Ristanovic said Vujanic will make more than $1 million next season, and will have an option to get out the deal after one year.
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7/10/2003  8:38 PM
http://www.hoopshype.com/interviews/vujanic_sierra.htm
Do you feel you could play the shooting guard position in the NBA?

MV: Depends on the team I play for, the way the team plays and coaches strategy, but I think that I could play the shooting guard spot in the NBA.


What was the feeling when you knew you had been drafted by the New York Knicks? Did you expect to go as high as 36th overall pick?

MV: Maybe not that high, so I was thrilled when I heard. First because of the high position and after that because New York chose me. It is a club with great tradition in the NBA.


Do you plan to play there next season?

MV: It is too early for that kind of decision. Of course my goal is to play in the NBA, it’s a dream for every basketball player. But I don’t know if that’s going to happen next year, or after that. We’ll wait and see.


Have you followed the Knicks much since you were drafted?

MV: I followed Knicks even before, but since the draft I follow their games much more. Almost daily I get information about New York games on the Internet, and during free time I sometimes watch their games on satellite channels.


What's your opinion about what is going on there?

MV: They didn't have a good start of the season, but I think they have a good team and they will probably get better with every game.


Have you met or talked to anybody in the Knicks organization in the last weeks?

MV: I talked to some people from the Knicks management during World Championships in Indianapolis. From time to time we speak on the phone. I guess you could say we are in contact.


We always ask this question to all NBA prospects... What player in the league do you think you resemble the most?


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http://www.allsports.com/nba/knicks/062703.html

Lampe has the potential to be every bit the powerhouse all-star that Sweetney will probably never achieve. Layden got everything he wanted from draft night: A potential stud for the future and a workhouse that can be counted on for solid numbers every night.

What Layden has done is laid the foundation for the Knicks for years to come. Their second round pick from last year, Milos Vujanic, is still developing overseas and will be ready to join New York after next year. Reports say that Vujanic can direct an NBA team and shoot the lights out from anywhere on the floor.

I say develop this young core, get under the cap so you can sign a player when this group is ready. Do you really think the Knicks can challenge the Lakers for the title next year?...or the next few years? I didn't think so.
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This is why I think Vujanic should come over immediately. They need him to get acclimated to the NBA playing in Euro doesn't necessarily translate into big numbers in the NBA. You get a freak case once in a while like Gasol and he is the only one that made a impact right away. Even the late great Petrovic took time in the NBA and he was ten times better than Vujanic. One thing NYK fans never had is a team that was soild from day one. When Ewing was there they always had players that were past their prime or getting started they never had a team that grew together from the start. You want the Knicks to develope Lampe, Vranes and Sweetney first and then throw Vujanic into the mix. I want to develope all 4 together at the same time. A team that grows together will win together and they will develope a trust and a bond for each others game.

As far as him coming over yes I'll be the first to say he isn't coming because he is giving up big money by staying in Europe. Like I said before a player wants to get through his first two year fast so he can get to the max contract quickly. He isn't sure of him self that he can accomplish this and decided to stay in Europe. The fact that he isn't going to score a single point for the Knicks this year or the next makes him a useless player in my eyes. To me Travis Knight is more valuable with his six fouls to give than some player who is never going to put on the NYK uni. Until he signs a deal with the KNicks I will continue to say the obvious he has no intention of playing in the NBA. If he did he would go back to Europe the first chance he got. I don't trust him or his agent they are not in it to help the KNicks. They should trade his right to any team willing to give a second rounder or as a throw in.
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