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I Thought It Was Wrong Rooting For Losses?
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TrueBlue
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3/10/2008  7:30 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by metra:

Stop trying to bait people. 25% of UK wanted to tank probably only a month before 75%. A month isn't a significant amount of time for an "I told you so."

I would only give credit to anyone who wanted to tank right after the Randolph trade - before the season even started. I doubt anyone had that much foresight.

plenty of people were predicting 35-38 win totals after the Zach trade & missing out on the playoffs, which was basically our worst case scenario if you think about the longterm ramifications... i think all those people were pretty much in favor of tank mode cuz the percieved alternative couldn't be any worse.


Exactly!


If they are way off pace from my 37win total projection after the first month my thought was dedicate the rest of the season to the Abyss.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-10-2008 6:33 PM]
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3/11/2008  12:21 AM
Posted by 4949:


I'm not happy because we will be in better draft position. I'm happy because Isiad-iot is getting everything he deserves! Vindication has arrived.

I'd say vindication arrived somewhere about 10 games into the season. With Isiah as good as gone, Marbury as good as cut, Randolph and/or Curry as good as traded, and the team chasing Brown's record of success as Knick coach, I'd say haters and lovers alike have little left to root for. So nothing wrong with losing right now. A high pick is the best and most accessible route toward turning things around. That and hiring Colangelo, but that doesn't seem likely,

But, speaking for myself, rooting for your team to lose to vindicate your hatred of Isiah Thomas is sad. And if someone were to point this out to question your dedication to the team, I'd say they are within their rights. I'd say most of those "fans" who have been "long time advocates of tanking games" probably fall into that category.

A true rebuild strategy by which lost games are a happy consequence is an accepted method for building talent in this league. Unfortunately if you are rooting for that in New York, seems very likely that you really would be better off (openly) rooting for another team.




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3/11/2008  12:36 AM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by 4949:


I'm not happy because we will be in better draft position. I'm happy because Isiad-iot is getting everything he deserves! Vindication has arrived.

I'd say vindication arrived somewhere about 10 games into the season. With Isiah as good as gone, Marbury as good as cut, Randolph and/or Curry as good as traded, and the team chasing Brown's record of success as Knick coach, I'd say haters and lovers alike have little left to root for. So nothing wrong with losing right now. A high pick is the best and most accessible route toward turning things around. That and hiring Colangelo, but that doesn't seem likely,

But, speaking for myself, rooting for your team to lose to vindicate your hatred of Isiah Thomas is sad. And if someone were to point this out to question your dedication to the team, I'd say they are within their rights. I'd say most of those "fans" who have been "long time advocates of tanking games" probably fall into that category.

A true rebuild strategy by which lost games are a happy consequence is an accepted method for building talent in this league. Unfortunately if you are rooting for that in New York, seems very likely that you really would be better off (openly) rooting for another team.

Make up whatever you want to make yourself feel better.

Fans who have been longtime advocates of losing games, have been doing so in order to see Isiah get fired sooner rather than later, so that Isiah can't **** this franchise up anymore than he has and to get someone in here who can hopefully get them pointed in the right direction.

Just because you lacked the foresight, don't get all bitter about it. Just give credit where credit is due and we can move on.
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3/11/2008  12:54 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Fans who have been longtime advocates of losing games, have been doing so in order to see Isiah get fired sooner rather than later, so that Isiah can't **** this franchise up anymore than he has and to get someone in here who can hopefully get them pointed in the right direction.

And this is the inane reasoning that has always had some scratching their head. If the team loses then management changes, and we all get to see if a new direction is taken, if we find success, and we all get to move on. If the team wins, then what, Isiah is still ****ing up the franchise? What happens then?

You never thought Isiah would have success, great, you earned yourself a cookie for that "foresight". I myself have had my doubts that things would work out. In fact if you want to see "foresight" there may be a few cats left here who remember my declaring the team dead in the water for years to come back in 2001 when the team made Houston its maxed-out franchise player. Most recently I loudly protested the Zach Randolph trade which has, in my opinion, killed whatever potential emerged from the team last season.

But I can't for the life of me understand how that meant I should root for the team to lose. Simply, there is in my mind a huge difference between saying "I don't like the way things are going but I hope it works" to "I hope this all fails because I don't like where things are going." You know which view I think is more appropriate for a fan, I'm sure you couldn't give a ****.

But you rock, isles, you were right all along.

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3/11/2008  12:58 AM
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3/11/2008  1:08 AM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by islesfan:

Fans who have been longtime advocates of losing games, have been doing so in order to see Isiah get fired sooner rather than later, so that Isiah can't **** this franchise up anymore than he has and to get someone in here who can hopefully get them pointed in the right direction.

And this is the inane reasoning that has always had some scratching their head. If the team loses then management changes, and we all get to see if a new direction is taken, if we find success, and we all get to move on. If the team wins, then what, Isiah is still ****ing up the franchise? What happens then?

You never thought Isiah would have success, great, you earned yourself a cookie for that "foresight". I myself have had my doubts that things would work out. In fact if you want to see "foresight" there may be a few cats left here who remember my declaring the team dead in the water for years to come back in 2001 when the team made Houston its maxed-out franchise player. Most recently I loudly protested the Zach Randolph trade which has, in my opinion, killed whatever potential emerged from the team last season.

But I can't for the life of me understand how that meant I should root for the team to lose. Simply, there is in my mind a huge difference between saying "I don't like the way things are going but I hope it works" to "I hope this all fails because I don't like where things are going." You know which view I think is more appropriate for a fan, I'm sure you couldn't give a ****.

But you rock, isles, you were right all along.

If the team had won, as I said from Day 1, I would eat a ton of crow and be happy as **** that I was wrong. I'm sure most fans who thought that way would be happy to.

I don't think any kudos is necessary for having the foresight, as long as Isiah is gone, that's all that matters. But I'm pretty sure that disparaging people for having that foresight just makes you look immature and bitter. But hey, at this point we wouldn't expect anything less. Go nuts.

Just because you don't understand why the vast majority of Knicks fans root for the team to lose now, there's no reason to get all pious about it.

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3/11/2008  1:09 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

LOL at this guy. Still going strong I guess. Bruised but not broken?

Well he took the first 63 games off so he's fresh as a daisy.
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3/11/2008  1:15 AM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by islesfan:

Fans who have been longtime advocates of losing games, have been doing so in order to see Isiah get fired sooner rather than later, so that Isiah can't **** this franchise up anymore than he has and to get someone in here who can hopefully get them pointed in the right direction.

And this is the inane reasoning that has always had some scratching their head. If the team loses then management changes, and we all get to see if a new direction is taken, if we find success, and we all get to move on. If the team wins, then what, Isiah is still ****ing up the franchise? What happens then?

You never thought Isiah would have success, great, you earned yourself a cookie for that "foresight". I myself have had my doubts that things would work out. In fact if you want to see "foresight" there may be a few cats left here who remember my declaring the team dead in the water for years to come back in 2001 when the team made Houston its maxed-out franchise player. Most recently I loudly protested the Zach Randolph trade which has, in my opinion, killed whatever potential emerged from the team last season.

But I can't for the life of me understand how that meant I should root for the team to lose. Simply, there is in my mind a huge difference between saying "I don't like the way things are going but I hope it works" to "I hope this all fails because I don't like where things are going." You know which view I think is more appropriate for a fan, I'm sure you couldn't give a ****.

But you rock, isles, you were right all along.


What's your motivation for returning?
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3/11/2008  1:18 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by islesfan:

Fans who have been longtime advocates of losing games, have been doing so in order to see Isiah get fired sooner rather than later, so that Isiah can't **** this franchise up anymore than he has and to get someone in here who can hopefully get them pointed in the right direction.

And this is the inane reasoning that has always had some scratching their head. If the team loses then management changes, and we all get to see if a new direction is taken, if we find success, and we all get to move on. If the team wins, then what, Isiah is still ****ing up the franchise? What happens then?

You never thought Isiah would have success, great, you earned yourself a cookie for that "foresight". I myself have had my doubts that things would work out. In fact if you want to see "foresight" there may be a few cats left here who remember my declaring the team dead in the water for years to come back in 2001 when the team made Houston its maxed-out franchise player. Most recently I loudly protested the Zach Randolph trade which has, in my opinion, killed whatever potential emerged from the team last season.

But I can't for the life of me understand how that meant I should root for the team to lose. Simply, there is in my mind a huge difference between saying "I don't like the way things are going but I hope it works" to "I hope this all fails because I don't like where things are going." You know which view I think is more appropriate for a fan, I'm sure you couldn't give a ****.

But you rock, isles, you were right all along.


What's your motivation for returning?

he obviously came back for the intelligent banter & discussion about Curry's hamburger eating habits & Fred Jones' facial expressions.
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3/11/2008  1:21 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by islesfan:

Fans who have been longtime advocates of losing games, have been doing so in order to see Isiah get fired sooner rather than later, so that Isiah can't **** this franchise up anymore than he has and to get someone in here who can hopefully get them pointed in the right direction.

And this is the inane reasoning that has always had some scratching their head. If the team loses then management changes, and we all get to see if a new direction is taken, if we find success, and we all get to move on. If the team wins, then what, Isiah is still ****ing up the franchise? What happens then?

You never thought Isiah would have success, great, you earned yourself a cookie for that "foresight". I myself have had my doubts that things would work out. In fact if you want to see "foresight" there may be a few cats left here who remember my declaring the team dead in the water for years to come back in 2001 when the team made Houston its maxed-out franchise player. Most recently I loudly protested the Zach Randolph trade which has, in my opinion, killed whatever potential emerged from the team last season.

But I can't for the life of me understand how that meant I should root for the team to lose. Simply, there is in my mind a huge difference between saying "I don't like the way things are going but I hope it works" to "I hope this all fails because I don't like where things are going." You know which view I think is more appropriate for a fan, I'm sure you couldn't give a ****.

But you rock, isles, you were right all along.


What's your motivation for returning?

he obviously came back for the intelligent banter & discussion about Curry's hamburger eating habits & Fred Jones' facial expressions.

You know, if you're going to come here and make these stupid statements at least be man enough and mention who you're talking about. You're always here criticizing the forum for being too negative when you're only criticizing a select few here, including me. There's no need to take a detour. Get to the point.
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3/11/2008  1:24 AM
oh sorry... i'm talking about you, TrueBlue & all the rest who seem to despise any sort of objective discussion when it comes to this team... how's that, better?

[Edited by - TMS on 03-10-2008 10:25 PM]
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3/11/2008  1:24 AM
Nah, it's not better. Stop whining already.
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3/11/2008  1:26 AM
stop being a moron & i'll stop the whining... how's that.
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3/11/2008  1:31 AM
Right. You really are a waste of time. If you're going to whine about this forum not living up to your expectations and being unable to have an "objective discussion" about the Knicks, then leave. I'd rather see 15 threads on why Isiah sucks than 1000 posts on how this forum is depressing people.

I don't do anything different. I speak the truth, that's all. Maybe I'm more abrasive than others but this has affected me deeply.

Again, don't like it? Stop complaining and leave. Nothing is going to come out of crying about it.
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3/11/2008  1:35 AM
i've been around a lot longer than you & have not told u to leave... ur hurting my feelings.
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3/11/2008  1:43 AM
Nice save with that deleted post. You wrote 1 paragraph and deleted it within seconds. Couldn't even get to quote it. Too bad.

Not a problem though. Since we both think the same of each other, it would be best not to address each other on the forum since there really is no ignore feature. Good day to you sir.
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3/11/2008  1:48 AM
no need to call me sir... & i'll keep addressing u as long as i feel it's warranted... u can choose to ignore me or not, that's up to you.
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3/11/2008  4:32 AM
I'd rather this team go 15 and 3 in the last 18 games than 3 and 15. What a lot of you don't get is that the Knicks aren't confident they can win. I want them to find that confidence now rather than 30 games into next season. I want them to start off next season knowing how to win instead of thinking "here we go again" and have no confidence.
Reagardless of who we get in the draft, trades or free agency, the team will not know how to win at the start of the season. They have the talent to have won more games. Losing can become a mindset and that's where the Knicks are right now.
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3/11/2008  5:36 AM
Travla, your reasoning is flawed, because getting this franchise back on track requires two things :
- a top draft pick (#1 or #2)
- getting Isiah fired

Winning the rest of the way won't do us any good.
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3/11/2008  8:41 AM
Posted by GKFv2:


You know, if you're going to come here and make these stupid statements at least be man enough and mention who you're talking about. You're always here criticizing the forum for being too negative when you're only criticizing a select few here, including me. There's no need to take a detour. Get to the point.

Have you made a point in your stay at this forum yet?
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