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franco12
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3/8/2008  1:50 PM
Posted by BigC:

This team is not even winning games yet people think we are better off with Curry than Zach? I don't see it. The whole purpose of playing a game is to win. If the team is not winning we can not be better.

I also think people are not including that Q is playing less do to the fact that Chandler is getting more minutes. Why is that not included into this, "We are better without Zach" equation? Curry does not even not even put an effort on the floor. If Zach was not in the NBA you would still be able to find him somewhere playing ball. Curry on the other hand would be at Sugar Shack eating pancakes with barbacue sauce with meatloaf cake. Curry could careless about playing basketball. He is just going through the motions.

[Edited by - BigC on 03-08-2008 1:25 PM]

I agree with this-

Look- the better play right now isn't that Curry is playing and Zach isn't- its that we only have one of them out there.

And, there is no pressure now. Everyone is loosey goosey. And the young guys are playing.

Young Guys= Energy & Effort.

I would trade Zach if I could- but face it- we're going to get garbage offers for him in the off season- look at the deal we almost got from the bucks- it was basically 4 players that had equal money & equal contracts, and altogether, wouldn't generate the same stats. That's called a down grade.

The #1 goal over the summer, besides firing Isiah, is to move one of Zach or Curry.

Who knows- maybe Curry's value goes up over the last 20+ games and with his reasonable deal, he can get moved.

Then, you start next season with Zach as your focus.

And Briggs- as far as the disparity between Zach & Eddy's FG% - a lot of that has to do with the fact that Curry doesn't shoot anything outside the paint. Zach could be a nice threat on the pick & roll with a strong PG - think Wallace & all the other bigs- on Toronto- that rip us from outside. Zach can still score down low. And while he doesn't have the ability to block shots that Curry does - ability/potential- both don't block ****. At least Zach can board.

And I think part of Zach's problems with chemistry might be he wants to win. I honestly believe Zach has more love of the game than Eddy.
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3/8/2008  3:12 PM
I'm going to create a similar thread showing Zach's stats when Curry receives less than 15min/gm.
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3/8/2008  3:15 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by SlimPack:

I would keep Zach over Curry if I had to choose one. Zach is a better a player. My reasoning is none more complicated than that. It's not as though Curry has some kind of intagible factor that goes beyond numbers or anything, so if Zach can put up better numbers, and in more situations (as we saw this year curry can only be effective if he's heavily featured on offense) than we should keep him. Idealistically I'd probably trade both but not at the same time. I think you can get good mileage out of one for a while, but only one.

+1.

Despite Zach's poor attitude and often detrimental conduct, he does what a PF should be doing on the basketball court. He can score by playing inside/outside and he goes after rebounds.

Meanwhile, Eddy Curry doesn't do a single thing that a Center should be doing on a daily basis besides put the ball in the basket when he's 2 feet away.

That is the main reason I like Zach over Curry. Zach at least fights for rebounds on both ends of the court. IMO he is also a slightly better passer than Curry, the few times he actually does look to pass. If you make Zach the feature of your inside game and tell him to take his time read the defense and pass b/c you know you are going to eventually get your shots, I think he can be a pretty effective PF. Curry does not rebound, does not block shots, and does not play defense. Those are too many negatives from our center for me to keep him on the team in a starting role.

[Edited by - thegame on 08-03-2008 15:16]
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3/8/2008  6:58 PM
Posted by BigC:

This team is not even winning games yet people think we are better off with Curry than Zach? I don't see it. The whole purpose of playing a game is to win. If the team is not winning we can not be better.

I also think people are not including that Q is playing less do to the fact that Chandler is getting more minutes. Why is that not included into this, "We are better without Zach" equation? Curry does not even not even put an effort on the floor. If Zach was not in the NBA you would still be able to find him somewhere playing ball. Curry on the other hand would be at Sugar Shack eating pancakes with barbacue sauce with meatloaf cake. Curry could careless about playing basketball. He is just going through the motions.

[Edited by - BigC on 03-08-2008 1:25 PM]

both due to the fact that Zach's making so much more in terms of salary as well as the fact that i would rather see D Lee starting games over Zach, i feel that way... also because i thought Curry worked better along w/Jamal & Lee than Zach does... i think Zach is the more talented player no question, so don't mistake what i'm saying to mean i think Curry's better... just a better fit for what we have, neither one is a guy i'd like to hold onto tho... just saying if i had to choose 1 i could get rid of right now, it would be Zach.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-08-2008 3:59 PM]
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3/8/2008  7:25 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:

This team is not even winning games yet people think we are better off with Curry than Zach? I don't see it. The whole purpose of playing a game is to win. If the team is not winning we can not be better.

I also think people are not including that Q is playing less do to the fact that Chandler is getting more minutes. Why is that not included into this, "We are better without Zach" equation? Curry does not even not even put an effort on the floor. If Zach was not in the NBA you would still be able to find him somewhere playing ball. Curry on the other hand would be at Sugar Shack eating pancakes with barbacue sauce with meatloaf cake. Curry could careless about playing basketball. He is just going through the motions.

[Edited by - BigC on 03-08-2008 1:25 PM]

both due to the fact that Zach's making so much more in terms of salary as well as the fact that i would rather see D Lee starting games over Zach, i feel that way... also because i thought Curry worked better along w/Jamal & Lee than Zach does... i think Zach is the more talented player no question, so don't mistake what i'm saying to mean i think Curry's better... just a better fit for what we have, neither one is a guy i'd like to hold onto tho... just saying if i had to choose 1 i could get rid of right now, it would be Zach.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-08-2008 3:59 PM]

I don't think its fair to Zach (I'm not defending him, I hate this clown) to say that we should get rid of him because Curry plays better with Lee. Lee should be kept out of this topic while Zach and Eddy should be evaluated individually. To discuss the two in a team oriented way is almost worthless, since this roster will/should be revamped very soon if/when Isiah Thomas has been shipped out of New York.

But I do understand your point of view, as it definitely makes sense as well.

I guess you cannot go wrong with either one gone.
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3/8/2008  7:31 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This has to be considered a lost year--destroyed by a dubious trade that wrecked team balance and chemistry.

I'm still debating wether it's a lost season or not.

There has never' been any balance or chemistry on this team since isiah arrived. This whole thing is a disaster from the beginning.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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3/8/2008  7:37 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BigC:

This team is not even winning games yet people think we are better off with Curry than Zach? I don't see it. The whole purpose of playing a game is to win. If the team is not winning we can not be better.

I also think people are not including that Q is playing less do to the fact that Chandler is getting more minutes. Why is that not included into this, "We are better without Zach" equation? Curry does not even not even put an effort on the floor. If Zach was not in the NBA you would still be able to find him somewhere playing ball. Curry on the other hand would be at Sugar Shack eating pancakes with barbacue sauce with meatloaf cake. Curry could careless about playing basketball. He is just going through the motions.

[Edited by - BigC on 03-08-2008 1:25 PM]

both due to the fact that Zach's making so much more in terms of salary as well as the fact that i would rather see D Lee starting games over Zach, i feel that way... also because i thought Curry worked better along w/Jamal & Lee than Zach does... i think Zach is the more talented player no question, so don't mistake what i'm saying to mean i think Curry's better... just a better fit for what we have, neither one is a guy i'd like to hold onto tho... just saying if i had to choose 1 i could get rid of right now, it would be Zach.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-08-2008 3:59 PM]

I don't think its fair to Zach (I'm not defending him, I hate this clown) to say that we should get rid of him because Curry plays better with Lee. Lee should be kept out of this topic while Zach and Eddy should be evaluated individually. To discuss the two in a team oriented way is almost worthless, since this roster will/should be revamped very soon if/when Isiah Thomas has been shipped out of New York.

But I do understand your point of view, as it definitely makes sense as well.

I guess you cannot go wrong with either one gone.

well, not just w/Lee, i'm saying Curry seems to enjoy a better team chemistry w/almost every one on this team, at least more so than Zach does from what i can tell... of course, he's also been here longer as well so that's only natural, i understand that... it's just that contract of his that's such a killer to me more than anything... if they were both making equal dollars i'd probably switch my point of view on this.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-08-2008 4:38 PM]
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