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How about Beno Udrih with the MLE next year to start PG?
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TMS
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3/4/2008  11:24 PM
Cosmic, i just posted that article to raise another option... he's not my ideal & i wouldn't wanna sign him up to a full MLE... Udrih i like better cuz he's got good size & is more of a ball distributor than a scoring PG imho.
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3/4/2008  11:58 PM
Posted by TMS:

Cosmic, i just posted that article to raise another option... he's not my ideal & i wouldn't wanna sign him up to a full MLE... Udrih i like better cuz he's got good size & is more of a ball distributor than a scoring PG imho.

Sure, I understand, yet.... my position is the last thing we need to look at is adding...well, anything other than our own draft picks.

We need to tear the roster down and liquidate it. Preferably to line up with July 2010. I would have preferred 2009 but I think with the addition of Zach and the fact that Isiah was not fired before the Feb deadline.... we're now looking at 2010 as "rebirth" of our favorite team.

So, I don't think we need to be adding anyone. Again I see this as a two part process.

1) Remove Isiah and his crap.
2) Add draft picks and develop them and the kids.

Then come July 2010 we can enter the 3rd part of rebuilding our favorite team back into contention.

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3/5/2008  12:00 AM
we have to fill our roster somehow, unless u wanna just play Mardy as our backup PG & let Nate go & not sign any other FA's... really i don't even care if that happens cuz it'll just assure us of another high lottery pick next season, but at some point we have to improve because we still owe that 1st rounder from the Marbury trade that becomes unprotected in 2010, don't we?
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3/5/2008  12:04 AM
Posted by TMS:

we have to fill our roster somehow, unless u wanna just play Mardy as our backup PG & let Nate go & not sign any other FA's... really i don't even care if that happens cuz it'll just assure us of another high lottery pick next season, but at some point we have to improve because we still owe that 1st rounder from the Marbury trade that becomes unprotected in 2010, don't we?

You can't look at this team as a team that needs it's roster filled out. I think you need to look at it as a two part process.

1) Remove Isiah's Trash
2) Rebuild once Isiah's trash is gone.

In-between you develop the kids we have and the kids we can add with the 08 and 09 picks (10 is going to the Jazz...cant do a damn thing about that).

So, again, don't look at tomorrow as a day to start adding.... look at tomorrow as a day to de-construct the mess. View July 1st, 2010, as the day you start ADDING to the roster!!!!!


That's what I see... Not saying I'm right here... It's just WHAT I SEE. A two part issue.

1) Remove Isiah and his trash
1a) Develop the kids we have, and the kids we add in 08 and 09
2) Start building a brand new contender in July 2010.


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3/5/2008  3:52 AM
Navarro would be a good option for the MLE
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3/5/2008  6:59 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

Navarro would be a good option for the MLE

Sasha vujacic is another player I like for the mid-level......but not the whole thing! We gotta learn our lesson. Sasha and navarro are good but the Knicks can't beat themselves in the market again.

Aside from that, Isiah would never sign guys like this. Sasha would be awesome to have play fred jones role off the bench. Navarro probably could start @ 2.

Isiah has to go, and somebody has to find a way to keep morris. Knicks need the roster spots.....isiah calls these players assets. Dolan has shown he is spitefull and won't buy dudes out anymore so they can get paid again elsewhere.

Anyway, we are in trouble but we gotta keep hope alive.



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3/5/2008  7:20 AM
Posted by TMS:

we have to fill our roster somehow, unless u wanna just play Mardy as our backup PG & let Nate go & not sign any other FA's... really i don't even care if that happens cuz it'll just assure us of another high lottery pick next season, but at some point we have to improve because we still owe that 1st rounder from the Marbury trade that becomes unprotected in 2010, don't we?

I'd agree about trying to minimize the money #'s- if we can't/don't draft a PG, my first option would be to try to find an NBDL type player. Otherwise- we have Crawford, Nate and Collins. If we're strategic, we should trade Crawford- and then you'd need to hopefully get back a PG.
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3/5/2008  4:22 PM
i'd love to trade Jamal for Andre Miller's expiring next year & then draft a Rose or Gordon w/our lottery pick, but i doubt Philly does it.

maybe try to swing a trade w/ATL for Speedy Claxton & their 1st rounder lottery protected?

or u can try to use Jamal in a trade to upgrade the SF or C spot, draft a PG & sign a backup like Chris Duhon in the offseason.
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3/5/2008  4:44 PM
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Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I think this would be a good signing.

I like the way that Udrih has been playing lately and as weird as it sounds, I really think the Knicks need some of that foreign influence on this team, I mean the rest of the league has gone that direction and that style of play, in some way shape or form, why haven't we? But anyway, I like what Udrih can bring to the table as a PG/floor general type player, he can knock down J's and he can also D-up. Also, as you said, he's coming from a very successful organization.

I'm not so sure the Kings are going to let him go though, not with the way he's been playing as a starter.

I think he is an unrestricted FA. I think we can offer him 6 years 33mm$ with a full MLE next year. I'm not worried about using the MLE in terms of trying to get under the salary cap. It's the maximum contracts that have effect on the cap. We have used the MLE so POORLY I think the last 3 guys we used the MLE on were Weatherspoon Jerome James and Jared Jefferies. While Jefferies was in the age bracket that you would use an MLE on--he wasn't worthy in terms of what he brought to the table prodcution wise. Beno brings to the table many positive assets that are worthy of investment of the MLE. If we happen to get Derrick Rose the thought process would change but were looking at small %s

you forgot vin baker

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3/5/2008  4:46 PM
Posted by TMS:

i'd love to trade Jamal for Andre Miller's expiring next year & then draft a Rose or Gordon w/our lottery pick, but i doubt Philly does it.

maybe try to swing a trade w/ATL for Speedy Claxton & their 1st rounder lottery protected?

or u can try to use Jamal in a trade to upgrade the SF or C spot, draft a PG & sign a backup like Chris Duhon in the offseason.


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I think they'll have to stop calling him "Speedy" soon when he's using a walker.

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3/5/2008  4:53 PM
NO... Draft A PG! Hopefully Jerryd Bayless
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3/5/2008  4:54 PM
lol... it's the pick i want from ATL... Speedy's contract is a couple years shorter than Jamal's so we also get cap relief... if he can't run then there are other options out there we could easily sign like a Chris Duhon.
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3/13/2008  10:23 AM
I think we can scratch this idea Sacramento both parties appear dead set on getting a deal done. It's not set in stone and it appears if another team does acquire Udrih I believe the Kings would try to work something out via S&T to get compensation for him.

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/781908.html
He isn't spectacular like Jason Williams. He hasn't humbled the Los Angeles Lakers with a leaning, last-second jumper in the playoffs. He doesn't have an entourage. Heck, he didn't even have a job when the season began.

But as the Kings crawl toward the draft lottery and another offseason of changes, Beno Udrih, despite having unusually small hands and fingers for an NBA point guard, retains a vise-like grip on the starting position.

He wants them. They need him. Assuming the free agent-to-be and his bosses reach agreement this summer on a long-term contract – and according to all the parties, this is a reasonable assumption – the job will be Udrih's for the foreseeable future.

"Everybody feels he has been a great acquisition," Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie said. "But the free-agency thing … I can't talk about."

"It's certainly been a good fit," said Udrih's agent, Marc Cornstein. "When the season is over, I'll sit down with Beno and go over the priorities, but I would have to guess playing time and role are the most important."

In other words, this is the deal: Though the Kings exceed the salary cap, they can offer Udrih some (or all) of the midlevel exception that could stretch to five seasons and average approximately $5 million to $6 million annually. Add or subtract a few million, and Beno, who has been the next best thing to a freebie at $788,936, will earn a substantial raise.

His ascent on the court has been similarly dramatic and his once-lousy timing impeccable. The same player who was waived within hours of being traded from San Antonio to Minnesota this past exhibition season is emerging as the right point guard for the Kings at the right time. In a sense, history is repeating.

The flashy, immensely popular Williams generated tremendous enthusiasm during the feel-good, have-fun early years of the Rick Adelman Era. But he was supplanted by the more serious, slick-shooting Bibby as the Kings evolved into contenders. Bibby, whose effectiveness declined during his final months in Sacramento, more recently was replaced by a younger, cheaper, seemingly capable playmaker for the ongoing rebuilding.

Udrih, in fact, has improved by the week, most notably since returning to the starting lineup following Bibby's swap to the Atlanta Hawks on Feb. 16. Stronger and quicker than he appears at 6-foot-3 and 205 pounds, Udrih is increasingly productive on pick-and-rolls, on curls into the lane for midrange jumpers, or knifing to the basket and eluding defenders with crafty, left-handed reverse layups. As much as anything, it's his European style of play – the ability to penetrate the lane, draw defenders and then find open teammates for dunks and jumpers – that draws the highest praise from Kings officials.

"Beno has earned the right to take control of the team," coach Reggie Theus said. "He goes deep into the paint, much better than I expected, and he takes hard hits. The last few weeks he has been really aggressive, which is what I want to see. … One night he came over to the huddle, and he complained that someone wasn't passing the ball. I said, 'Beno, why the hell are you telling me? You're the point guard. Go tell him.' I think he has a strong enough personality to demand that."

Udrih, 25, appears unfazed by the pressure of replacing Bibby or the potential to earn millions. He has eased into his Natomas surroundings and become particularly friendly with rookie Spencer Hawes. He likes the city. He likes the team. And by all accounts – Cornstein's included – he is thriving under Theus' pointed tutelage.

Though not as acerbic as the Spurs' respected Gregg Popovich, Theus is just as quick with the critiques. He thinks Beno can defend better. He wants Beno to attack the rim more. Intrigued by his point guard's talent, he wants more and more from Beno. His most recent gripe concerns Udrih's tendency to give the ball up before initiating the offense, particularly when Ron Artest or John Salmons resort to deadly one-on-one games.

"Keep the ball in my hands, make decisions," Udrih said, nodding. "Reggie and I talked about that. (After the trade), I needed a few games of opportunity, to get my confidence back. Now I have that. I'm very happy here."
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