Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.

if we could use those expirings for picks like u say, why wasn't it done at the trading deadline? i love when people say "we can do this & we can do that" yet have no explanation why it wasn't done.

Well when you have a coach who'll betray rebuilding for 30pieces of silver, excuse me to make the playoffs at all costs those kind of trades weren't really discussed. Grunwald was working on trades with playoffs still in mind for the coach. Remember I SAY UGH'S comments "I won't give my young big men away for expirings." It could be done but we have the worst person in charge running things.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.

if we could use those expirings for picks like u say, why wasn't it done at the trading deadline? i love when people say "we can do this & we can do that" yet have no explanation why it wasn't done.

Posted by colorfl1:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.

if we could use those expirings for picks like u say, why wasn't it done at the trading deadline? i love when people say "we can do this & we can do that" yet have no explanation why it wasn't done.

The Rockets were on a winning streak and Yao was healthy at the trading deadline!
Now their season is lost!!!
They were on the brink of breaking up those 2 last year.
Marbury's contract will be much more appealing in the final year... the Rockets will not break-up the Yao- T-mac tandem until after the season having given it one last run.

Marbury's 21M + Malik's 7M coming off the books + Balkman or Chandler... that is 28M off the cap!!!
that is a very compelling deal and if I were the Rockets I would do it.
Remember what Pheonix did with Marbury, what Orlando did with Francis, Grizzlies with Gasol and what Portland did with Randolph...
this is the NBA is 2008... these deals happen all the time.
I would have Yao and a ton of money to sign a free agent when all the studs become available.,
I am not sure if it is the right move for NY, but it is a move that fits Zeke's pattern and if I were the Rockets I would do it.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.

if we could use those expirings for picks like u say, why wasn't it done at the trading deadline? i love when people say "we can do this & we can do that" yet have no explanation why it wasn't done.

Well when you have a coach who'll betray rebuilding for 30pieces of silver, excuse me to make the playoffs at all costs those kind of trades weren't really discussed. Grunwald was working on trades with playoffs still in mind for the coach. Remember I SAY UGH'S comments "I won't give my young big men away for expirings." It could be done but we have the worst person in charge running things.

when any team trades an expiring for picks, it always involves taking on more longterm contracts, more than likely at least 2 years more in length than the contract you're giving up... so for all you chiming in on this topic realize this, any trade of Marbury or Malik to acquire picks is going to involve taking back a piece of crap player with more years left on their deals than T-Mac has now in all likelihood... so please stop the madness... T-Mac's contract will be more valuable than Marbury's expiring this offseason if you ask me.

Posted by TMS:

let me ask u this, who's contract do u think is more valuable right now, Marbury or T-Mac? who do you think teams will value more & be willing to give up more to acquire?

the reason the Spurs traded a 1st rounder for KT was because they had a need to shore up their frontline for the stretch run & they're a legitimate contender... as soon as you can point out the contenders out there that would be falling over themselves to acquire Marbury's 20 million dollar salary next year & give up a 1st rounder along w/expirings in the process in order to improve their team for a title run, i'm all ears... same goes for Malik Rose for that matter... KT is better than both those guys

& please, when i say picks i'm talking about 1st rounders... 2nd rounders are bought & sold all the time.

& if you think trading Marbury's expiring for other expirings does us any much better good than trading for T-Mac, i'd like to hear the options you have in mind... i don't see any good ones out there that are feasible.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-02-2008 6:28 PM]

Posted by TMS:

let me ask u this, who's contract do u think is more valuable right now, Marbury or T-Mac? who do you think teams will value more & be willing to give up more to acquire?

the reason the Spurs traded a 1st rounder for KT was because they had a need to shore up their frontline for the stretch run & they're a legitimate contender... as soon as you can point out the contenders out there that would be falling over themselves to acquire Marbury's 20 million dollar salary next year & give up a 1st rounder along w/expirings in the process in order to improve their team for a title run, i'm all ears... same goes for Malik Rose for that matter... KT is better than both those guys

& please, when i say picks i'm talking about 1st rounders... 2nd rounders are bought & sold all the time.

& if you think trading Marbury's expiring for other expirings does us any much better good than trading for T-Mac, i'd like to hear the options you have in mind... i don't see any good ones out there that are feasible.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-02-2008 6:28 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

let me ask u this, who's contract do u think is more valuable right now, Marbury or T-Mac? who do you think teams will value more & be willing to give up more to acquire?

you bring up the KT example from PHO, but the reason they dumped him was because they already had a great team & they didn't want to have to pay out on any more guaranteed 1st round contracts... the reason the Spurs traded a 1st rounder for KT was because they had a need to shore up their frontline for the stretch run & they're a legitimate contender... as soon as you can point out the contenders out there that would be falling over themselves to acquire Marbury's 20 million dollar salary next year & give up a 1st rounder along w/expirings in the process in order to improve their team for a title run, i'm all ears... same goes for Malik Rose for that matter... KT is better than both those guys

& please, when i say picks i'm talking about 1st rounders... 2nd rounders are bought & sold all the time.

& if you think trading Marbury's expiring for other expirings does us any much better good than trading for T-Mac, i'd like to hear the options you have in mind... i don't see any good ones out there that are feasible.

First of all you're making excuses as to why those teams were able to pull off such trades and I could make the same excuses as to why we shouldn't trade for T-Mac considering the current make-up of our team.

Second I never refuted the idea of trading for T-Mac specifically, although I'll state right now how I feel and I rather not.

Third I don't believe T-Mac will be on the table this summer especially if they make the playoffs without Yao.

Fourth I've always been of the mindset Marbury has to bought out. I wanted and felt it was in our best interest to do this 2yrs ago. Instead of me explaining what kind of value or deal Marbury's contract could bring us back in a trade how about you explain why Houston even does the deal to begin with. T-Mac and Yao's deal expire approximately at the same time. The big time FA's will be available 2 yrs from now and T-Mac's contract will expire by then. They can let things run it's course and choose to rebuild around Yao if they want without making Mediocre or Lateral moves.

what excuses man? i'm just telling u the circumstances surrounding those trades... there aren't any teams out there that will be willing to give up a pick & expirings for Stephon Marbury, if u think there are you're severely reaching IMO... either Marbs gets bought out or Isiah uses his expiring to acquire a player w/a longer term contract... i have no problem in buying him out, i've advocated that many times in the past, i'm just discussing the hypothetical here that IF HOU is desperate enough to take back his contract in exchange for just Marbury's expiring it's a deal i wouldn't be opposed to since it doesn't really harm our longterm cap flexibility... i already told u HOU is unlikely to be willing to do that trade w.o any picks &/or Lee included in the deal... why is it so difficult to read posts before replying to them?