Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Don't forget Jalen Rose -"He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."

"He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958


[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 1:01 PM]

I think LB was being sarcastic by his comments with the move while at the same time exposing the roster I SAY UGH put together. We provide you with proof of how off base you are and you refuse to allow yourself to be educated.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-29-2008 2:05 PM]

No GM is not into trades.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

One of my sales people tells me we would do well if we started packaging hula hoops with our software. I don't listen to him because that would be stupid. And if I did, I would take responsibility for it.

what's this "responsibility" thing you talk of?

But if your boss told you - and you did it - and it was a disaster- you can bet - that it was your responsibility. Try it sometime- upper management may open your eyes as to why we have a culture of CYA and denial. After all- Mike Brown took 'responsibility' for the Katrina fiasco- and I guess since he was the head of FEMA - we can stop looking up the chain of command for further responsibility right.

Anyway - I can see I am dealing with a wealth of experience in terms of upper management.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Don't forget Jalen Rose -"He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."

"He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958


[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-29-2008 1:01 PM]

I think LB was being sarcastic by his comments with the move while at the same time exposing the roster I SAY UGH put together. We provide you with proof of how off base you are and you refuse to allow yourself to be educated.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-29-2008 2:05 PM]

How you would intuit sarcasm from a direct quote is beyond me- I don't have those special abilities-so I can't comment.

BTW - please do provide me with 'proof' - rather than conjecture. For example proof would be:
1. IT saying - LB had nothing to do with it.
2. Conjecture and supposition would be extrapolating that because the GM has to sign paperwork 'approving' the deal that the GM was the source.
3. I would even accept inference - for example - in November of 2004 - there were serious discussions regarding the trading for Steve Francis and Jalen Rose - because despite Marbury leading them into the playoffs - IT/ Knicks management felt that the addition of Rose and Francis would quickly improve the team into a contender. In June of 2005 - coinciding with the hiring of LB - these deals were made. However, that's not what happened --as has been amply documented.

At this point I find your definition of proof to be constant assertion - and more assertions - 'Well Isiah Thomas WAS the GM - so he MUST have been the one. Somehow - I doubt strongly that this would be construed as proof in any educational institution of quality - much less a court of law.

No GM is not into trades.

So it was the GM - that decided to bring in Keyshawn Johnson,Vinnie Testaverde, Terry Glen and Drew Bledsoe when Parcells became the coach of the cowboys ? So how many times has a the highest paid coach in any sport (MLB, NHL, NFL and NBA) not been allowed to bring in players of his choice?? Is the implication that paying someone the highest salary in the history of the respective league means that they have nominal input regarding the make up of the roster?

Where is that knife of irony when you need it - obviously its blade has been dulled by the constant spewing of invective by purposely eschewing the need to look at facts in their context. That doesn't mean that IT is absolved from the Crawford, Q Rich, Malik Rose deals. But it also doesn't mean that one should forget the important sidebars as how- Q Rich came with a draft pick - Nate Robinson, Malik came with David Lee. Or the fact that despite giving up 4 first round draft picks - IT still had 5 first round picks from 2005-2007- versus 3 first round picks from 1999-2004 before him -filled with stellar choices such as Frederic Weiss and Mike Sweetney- not to mention the fantastic league icon Nene.

As for the 'collective' wisdom- what exactly is it based on - more of the same 'proof' ?!?!

It doesn't matter. If you are a functioning organization it is a team effort. The coach and GM are responsible for building the team. The coach has a vision of the type of player he wants and the GM goes and gets them. The GM has final say on these trades. If the coach demands and you are too much of a pansy to say no to him and acquire a player that doesn't fit, then you should not be a GM.

The truth is none of us know who wanted Francis. We are all just guessing based on whose side we want to take. The only evidence I have is that Stevie seems to fit what Isiah targets and doesn't fit what LB tends to want. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's the GM's job to make trades. He can't just take credit for the good ones and then pass the blame on the bad ones.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

I have my own company as well (two). I was also the head of a health program for the entire state , as well as the county as well as beig involved in a hospital (shudder). The experience gained from something like that is very different than dealing with a corporation or rather large bureacracy (DHS/DOH etc).

I am only saying that it is not unheard of -of people having little choice -either comply- or suddenly have performance evaluations etc to be set up for to be dismissed for cause.

Most people comply -

Education is a prime example. Seriously - why the F**K would I pay 10-20K a year for an undergraduate /professional whatever degree when 30-40 percent of my courses are taught by part-time adjuncts?!?! How can I respect an educational institution when they respect cost-effectiveness as the greater virtue than teaching competence (as opposed to research competence - who are disguised as professors?).

If we equate researcher's as being more knowledgable than why aren't they getting paid better?

The point is - why is IT still having a job. Because the 'simplest' answer is that he is doing it to the satisfaction of his superiors.

Posted by Bippity10:


You have to talk to me like I'm dumb because I lose interest when the intelligent guys pull out the big words on these message boards.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Posted by Bippity10:


You have to talk to me like I'm dumb because I lose interest when the intelligent guys pull out the big words on these message boards.

Sorry - can't and won't do that.