Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by eViL:

Posted by islesfan:

...at this point anyone is an improvement over Isiah. If nothing else, it's a start and they couldn't possibly be worse.

This is the same reasoning many used to validate their approval of the Isiah hiring. Anyone would have to be better than Layden. I'm sorry, I'm so sick of losing -- I want the best that's available. Kiki is not the best. The Knicks should pass. I hope this is just a negotiating strategy so Colangelo knows the Knicks have alternatives.

I agree with you eVil. I think most people are saying they would love to have Colangelo, but in the end if Dolan is afraid of giving him power like he wants, then you have to settle for a guy like Kiki. I think what people are saying is that there are worse guys to just "settle" with.

I agree with you but you have to ask the question: Is having Kiki, under Dolan's supervision, the right way to build a championship contender? I highly doubt it, although I do think the team would be less painful to watch than the current one.

I think they should take their time and interview as many available gm's as possible, but Kiki is tested and proven. Let's keep everything in perspective the Suns nor the Pacers ever won a championship under either Calangelo or Walsh. I'm not knocking them but stating Kiki is capable of duplicating similar success with equal amount of yrs on the job.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by eViL:

Posted by islesfan:

...at this point anyone is an improvement over Isiah. If nothing else, it's a start and they couldn't possibly be worse.

This is the same reasoning many used to validate their approval of the Isiah hiring. Anyone would have to be better than Layden. I'm sorry, I'm so sick of losing -- I want the best that's available. Kiki is not the best. The Knicks should pass. I hope this is just a negotiating strategy so Colangelo knows the Knicks have alternatives.

I agree with you eVil. I think most people are saying they would love to have Colangelo, but in the end if Dolan is afraid of giving him power like he wants, then you have to settle for a guy like Kiki. I think what people are saying is that there are worse guys to just "settle" with.

I agree with you but you have to ask the question: Is having Kiki, under Dolan's supervision, the right way to build a championship contender? I highly doubt it, although I do think the team would be less painful to watch than the current one.

I think they should take their time and interview as many available gm's as possible, but Kiki is tested and proven. Let's keep everything in perspective the Suns nor the Pacers ever won a championship under either Calangelo or Walsh. I'm not knocking them but stating Kiki is capable of duplicating similar success with equal amount of yrs on the job.

Kiki did an above average job in Denver but he's not tested and proven like Colangelo is (or I have to remind people, like Scott Layden was before coming here).

Posted by islesfan:

The reasons this story may have legs is:

Steve Mills will be the one to find Isiah's successor. Normally, I would tend to dismiss it because it's being done so out in the open but this is Dolan's Knicks and it would be a typical way to embarrass an employee, who they were about to fire.

Like the story said, it's the safe route. Kiki wouldn't be looking for complete control the way Colangelo and perhaps Walsh would. Kiki is the type that would be a good soldier in Dolan's sick army.

Personally I'd rather have Colangelo or throw a ton of money at RC Buford from the Spurs but at this point anyone is an improvement over Isiah. If nothing else, it's a start and they couldn't possibly be worse.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by bitty41:

I wouldn't have a problem with Kiki if this franchise was in somewhat manageable shape but as it stands right now the Knicks need a damn near miracle worker to fix things. I don't if Kiki is that guy Colangelo or West are the only ones who I would feel confident to fix this mess and really turn this team into a relevant playoff team.

That's because some seem to believe this core is fixable. A trade or two, the right draft pick, and BAM it will all come together.

Reality is that's an impossible task. We're rotten to the core. Our top 7 or 8 players are absolutely terrible not only as individuals but as teammates.

We *MUST* view the Knicks as a two-part problem.

1- Tear it down to a manageable position.
2- Build it back up from that new manageable position.

I think Kiki could do that...tear it down in 2 years time and have us in an enviable position to then begin building a new team.

What core? Because from what I gather most people would like to see almost our entire starting 5 sent packing with the slight exception being Jamal. Okay you get a really nice draft pick then what your left with Jamal our young players who've barely played at all, a rookie, David Lee and some other left over scrubs that we weren't able to trade.

Posted by NineMike2Whiskey:

Posted by islesfan:

The reasons this story may have legs is:

Steve Mills will be the one to find Isiah's successor. Normally, I would tend to dismiss it because it's being done so out in the open but this is Dolan's Knicks and it would be a typical way to embarrass an employee, who they were about to fire.

Like the story said, it's the safe route. Kiki wouldn't be looking for complete control the way Colangelo and perhaps Walsh would. Kiki is the type that would be a good soldier in Dolan's sick army.

Personally I'd rather have Colangelo or throw a ton of money at RC Buford from the Spurs but at this point anyone is an improvement over Isiah. If nothing else, it's a start and they couldn't possibly be worse.

Considering how Isiah treated Chaney and the whole Larry Brown fiasco i think he is getting of lightly

I'm hoping Isiah gets escorted out of the building, forcefully, by armed guards as soon as the buzzer sounds to end the last Knicks home game of the season. In full view of everybody in the building. Do you think there would be a standing ovation for that?

And if he resists, shoot him.

Posted by TrueBlue:

This is more promising news because it's in harmony with everything written recently. Sounds as if Dolan is going to give Mills the green light to handle I SAY UGH.

I wish he would have done it as soon as Kiki was available so he would of had enough time to assess this trash roster going into the off-season to purge. He probably could have made a move at the deadline to put us in better position over the summer.

We'll take what we can get at this point, if it means the worst GM in history is going to get ousted.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-27-2008 10:34 AM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

He probably could have made a move at the deadline to put us in better position over the summer.

Exactly. That's why I didn't view Isiah doing nothing, like a Dead Man Walking, to be a good thing. It was a missed opportunity to remove some of these cancers, clear cap space, perhaps accumulate some picks and make room for the kids to show what they can do so the next GM has a better idea.

Yeah the notion that hiring a new GM mid-season would create an environment of rush to judgment before the season ended was ludicrous. We needed someone in here as soon as we could, when things went south. If for nothing else Dolan should of had Mills fire his Azzz after the Marbury AWOL fiasco. We probably could have had a respectable season if he did. Maybe a comparable coach would have been in place(Fratello, Carlisle, Silas) well before the break, establishing an identity of play, those who didn't conform(which I'm saying this very liberally because I want everyone gone regardless) would be goners. The GM and new coach would of had enough time to assess the situation and make the necessary moves. Maybe the conclusion would have been to wait until season's end but nevertheless we'd be way ahead in the tear down rebuild process. It's like we lost a season to rebuild, which makes me even more angry.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-27-2008 11:07 AM]