Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think that the team is rudderless at all. It is just an aspect of the expectations game that, considering all, one would infer that Isiah would intend to establish a core of talented players who can grow together. I think that Isiah has, in fact, endeavored to ascertain the ability of these players to incorporate and improve with respect to the continuing ability of the team to attain its goals.

All that being said, I am the first to admit that the Knicks, irrespective of the accepted conventional wisdom as to the efficaciousness of elaborating the elements of the pick and roll game, have in fact embellished and enumerated upon many of the important aspects of the mission statement.

I feel that it is very important, in contemplating the eventual nautical consequences, to keep in mind that, without predicting any particular outcome, a course can be established that can with exemplary certainty be said to tend to cause the ship to be righted.

Notwithstanding all of the aforesaid, I still continue to maintain that with regard to fans who feel empowered to put forth opinions as to the effectiveness of the evolving strategies which, nonetheless will continue to influence the adaptation of the motion offense in contrast to the defeatist attitude, that Isiaih will get the team back on course.


Finally, I think I should point out that it has become abundantly clear in attempting to identify the status of the transportation medium in the given modality, that Isiah will get the team back on track.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-21-2008 11:28]

Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think that the team is rudderless at all. It is just an aspect of the expectations game that, considering all, one would infer that Isiah would intend to establish a core of talented players who can grow together. I think that Isiah has, in fact, endeavored to ascertain the ability of these players to incorporate and improve with respect to the continuing ability of the team to attain its goals.

All that being said, I am the first to admit that the Knicks, irrespective of the accepted conventional wisdom as to the efficaciousness of elaborating the elements of the pick and roll game, have in fact embellished and enumerated upon many of the important aspects of the mission statement.

I feel that it is very important, in contemplating the eventual nautical consequences, to keep in mind that, without predicting any particular outcome, a course can be established that can with exemplary certainty be said to tend to cause the ship to be righted.

Notwithstanding all of the aforesaid, I still continue to maintain that with regard to fans who feel empowered to put forth opinions as to the effectiveness of the evolving strategies which, nonetheless will continue to influence the adaptation of the motion offense in contrast to the defeatist attitude, that Isiaih will get the team back on course.


Finally, I think I should point out that it has become abundantly clear in attempting to identify the status of the transportation medium in the given modality, that Isiah will get the team back on track.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-21-2008 11:28]

Posted by lovespree:

This team is a complete joke. What's even funnier is how people still debate on who we should trade and trade for. This season is lost...it's a disaster. Actually, they way Isiah has constructed this team, it may be ruined for the forseen future. Until Isiah is removed from this organization it won't matter who the hell is on this roster, it won't suceed with him in charge. He has lost all credibility with everyone and anyone who has any sort of brain - exlcuding Dolan of course/who happens to matter most.

He's a horrible scout for talent, he's made the most foolish trades i've seen on any one basketball team, he is horrible as a coach and GM and he is a liar. He tries to but all kinds of spins on the Knicks and this busted season to make himself excusable. Anybody that buys it, and keeps buying into the promise that a few trades are going to make us better are delusional. As long as Isiah is associated with the Knicks, this franchise is doomed.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think that the team is rudderless at all. It is just an aspect of the expectations game that, considering all, one would infer that Isiah would intend to establish a core of talented players who can grow together. I think that Isiah has, in fact, endeavored to ascertain the ability of these players to incorporate and improve with respect to the continuing ability of the team to attain its goals.

All that being said, I am the first to admit that the Knicks, irrespective of the accepted conventional wisdom as to the efficaciousness of elaborating the elements of the pick and roll game, have in fact embellished and enumerated upon many of the important aspects of the mission statement.

I feel that it is very important, in contemplating the eventual nautical consequences, to keep in mind that, without predicting any particular outcome, a course can be established that can with exemplary certainty be said to tend to cause the ship to be righted.

Notwithstanding all of the aforesaid, I still continue to maintain that with regard to fans who feel empowered to put forth opinions as to the effectiveness of the evolving strategies which, nonetheless will continue to influence the adaptation of the motion offense in contrast to the defeatist attitude, that Isiaih will get the team back on course.


Finally, I think I should point out that it has become abundantly clear in attempting to identify the status of the transportation medium in the given modality, that Isiah will get the team back on track.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-21-2008 11:28]

I think Blue got to you the other day.

Posted by oohah:

Some posters on this board hated Isiah and his GM track record and decided the Knicks were in for trouble at first hiring.

The Knicks were in trouble well before Isiah got here. To start the timeline at Isiah is short-term memory. The timeline should really start with the Ewing trade, though the philosophy behind it preceded his trading. Since the Ewing trade, the Knicks were on life-support and they were dying as Thomas arrived.

This team was well on its way down the tubes when Thomas got here.

Isiah has tried to circumvent the rebuilding process, while rebuilding at the same time. Not a good idea. To further compound his error, this year he made the same exact mistake LB did while coaching, he married himself to a game plan that wasn't working, and only decided to change it up too late.

However, it never really mattered who was the GM. Because Dolan wants what he wants and whoever he hires is going to work with Dolan's requirements.

oohah

The team before Isiah got here might not have been very "talented" but the were
competitors, played hard every night, and were in games. This team is a joke.

Posted by oohah:

The team before Isiah got here might not have been very "talented" but the were
competitors, played hard every night, and were in games. This team is a joke.

Actually, Isiah was hired mid-season and the team was going straight into the toilet. The team in the couple of season before Isiah were bad-to-poor mediocre (30 wins in 01-02, 37 wins in 02-03) and were only getting worse, especially with Houston on his way out.

Take a look at the timeline right here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/

So this is really more of the same as the 2 seasons before Isiah got here.

Thomas should have just committed to the players he drafted and cut the cord on Crawford early on. Then he should have cut the cord on Curry last year while his value was high. Marbury was untradeable until this off-season.

If Thomas had done that, the team would have won more but still been mediocre record-wise, but improvement would have been probable as the player develop.

Maybe, just maybe he learned his lesson. After all, he didn't make any panic moves. but he has big contracts and lottery picks this summer, so who knows what he is planning?

oohah

Once again, the fact that we are comparing Isiah to Layden is an indictment all on it's own

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by Klytus:

I did not hate Scott Layden or those players as much as I hate Isiah Thomas and these players.

And I hope nobody is still saying these players are better because that's bs. Layden's Knicks were bad but they would sweep these current Knicks.

I agree. It's scary that as bad as Layden was, his teams still had better records. At least then nightly effort and 30 wins was a given