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TrueBlue
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2/20/2008  2:15 AM
If we were to obtain expirings there's no need for an expanded deal. We can deal straight across with Miami. It comes down to if we really want a player like J.O. and if New Jersey doesn't or if we want Carter and Pacers would accept the expirings, while J.O. goes to New Jersey. If the Pacers want the expirings you can rest assured they get a number 1 pick a piece from both teams(Jersey and Us). New Jersey would have to trade another player with Carter to get Jermaine.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-20-2008 01:16 AM]
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2/20/2008  2:21 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

If we were to obtain expirings there's no need for an expanded deal. We can deal straight across with Miami. It comes down to if we really want a player like J.O. and if New Jersey doesn't or if we want Carter and Pacers would accept the expirings, while J.O. goes to New Jersey. If the Pacers want the expirings you can rest assured they get a number 1 pick a piece from both teams(Jersey and Us). New Jersey would have to trade another player with Carter to get Jermaine.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-20-2008 01:16 AM]


there's no way Zeke can sell giving away Curry for expirings - it's not like expirings get us anywhere near the cap. he can't sell three years down the road to Dolan... or at least, he isnt smart enough to.
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2/20/2008  2:23 AM
IMO Isiah is too proud to deal a guy he gave up 2 lottery picks and essentially the same player on a rookie contract in Mike Sweetney for expiring contracts especially to the likes of Pat Riley.
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2/20/2008  2:40 AM
Posted by McK1:

IMO Isiah is too proud to deal a guy he gave up 2 lottery picks and essentially the same player on a rookie contract in Mike Sweetney for expiring contracts especially to the likes of Pat Riley.

i think you're right... unless he gets Vinsanity.

the sad thing is, Curry could have worked as what he was last year 20ppg, 6rpg and Isiah could have continued to justify the trade like that, but he felt the need to bring in Zach. but you know Isiah has to be terrified to trade EC and have him succeed elsewhere.
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2/20/2008  3:06 AM
That's a tremendous trade for the Nets. They'd be almost 20 million under cap this summer.
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2/20/2008  3:36 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:

If we were to obtain expirings there's no need for an expanded deal. We can deal straight across with Miami. It comes down to if we really want a player like J.O. and if New Jersey doesn't or if we want Carter and Pacers would accept the expirings, while J.O. goes to New Jersey. If the Pacers want the expirings you can rest assured they get a number 1 pick a piece from both teams(Jersey and Us). New Jersey would have to trade another player with Carter to get Jermaine.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-20-2008 01:16 AM]


there's no way Zeke can sell giving away Curry for expirings - it's not like expirings get us anywhere near the cap. he can't sell three years down the road to Dolan... or at least, he isnt smart enough to.

Who knows! Curry has no value anyway and to be honest I don't want Carter nor J.O.
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2/20/2008  4:01 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by TrueBlue:

If we were to obtain expirings there's no need for an expanded deal. We can deal straight across with Miami. It comes down to if we really want a player like J.O. and if New Jersey doesn't or if we want Carter and Pacers would accept the expirings, while J.O. goes to New Jersey. If the Pacers want the expirings you can rest assured they get a number 1 pick a piece from both teams(Jersey and Us). New Jersey would have to trade another player with Carter to get Jermaine.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-20-2008 01:16 AM]


there's no way Zeke can sell giving away Curry for expirings - it's not like expirings get us anywhere near the cap. he can't sell three years down the road to Dolan... or at least, he isnt smart enough to.

Who knows! Curry has no value anyway and to be honest I don't want Carter nor J.O.

if he's really trying to get fired, I could see it. I mean, how else do you explain giving away two lotto picks and calling the guy a franchise player?
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2/20/2008  7:15 AM
Vincent Lamar Carter in a knicks Uni will be a dream come true.

Getting rid of Crawford would make me even happier if we brought on Carter, Isiah blw the chance 4 yrs ago, but I guess that would make jamal the starting pg.

Vince can pass shoot the 3, penetrate and dish and finish at the hoop.

Those who wouldn't want this trade doesn't really understand basketball.

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[Edited by - playa2 on 20-02-2008 07:17]
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2/20/2008  7:53 AM
The idea of getting Carter is intriguing, but to me it has to be preceded or followed by about 3 or 4 other trades.

The first is getting Ben Wallace from Chicago (Ford said there is a standing offer of Malik and Q-which Chicago doesn't want).

The second is trading for Mike Miller and Kyle Lowery(Crawford and Fred Jones?)

The Third is getting Zach Randolph out of here and opening up the PF spot for David Lee(Randolph to Denver for Najera, Smith(Both FA's at end of year), and Hunter).

Wallace
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Carter
Miller
Lowry
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2/20/2008  8:17 AM
Posted by joec32033:

The idea of getting Carter is intriguing, but to me it has to be preceded or followed by about 3 or 4 other trades.

The first is getting Ben Wallace from Chicago (Ford said there is a standing offer of Malik and Q-which Chicago doesn't want).

The second is trading for Mike Miller and Kyle Lowery(Crawford and Fred Jones?)

The Third is getting Zach Randolph out of here and opening up the PF spot for David Lee(Randolph to Denver for Najera, Smith(Both FA's at end of year), and Hunter).

Wallace
Lee
Carter
Miller
Lowry


What's that team going to do other than lose games?


Again...for the love of god people need to stop thinking this team is fixable.

Tear it entirely down. Then start adding pieces to a mix of kids and draft picks a few years from now.

Stop taking other people's garbage.


This trade should read Curry and Crawful for JWill and Davis. That's what this trade should be and nothing less.

Of course Isiah wants OKneel and Wince. I'm not surprised. I'm also not surprised that Isiah and his few remaining supporters think such trades are a ticket to success.

I don't know how much more I can take of this crap......I already can't stand more than half the players on this team and that's sad.
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2/20/2008  8:21 AM
I don't want Vince Carter. Sure he might be a better player than anyone we have now, but we're also not going anywhere for a few years, so to me there isn't much of a point in taking on a guy that has a contract like he does for the sake of getting him, especially when he's half the player he used to be. Trading Curry for expirings, like Bucher reported, would be a much better idea.

What scares me is that, even if this isn't Isiahs trade, it's Grunwalds and since he has a relationship with Carter, I think it very well could be. Be afraid folks, this could be a guy that Dolan turns to if/when he fires Isiah, because he's not going to want to give ANYONE power like Colangelo or West will want. Be afraid, be VERY afraid.
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2/20/2008  8:40 AM
Holy Crap! I only want expirings and a 1st round draft pick for Curry. If this happens...well.. guess its just status quo. Same $hit different day.
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2/20/2008  8:48 AM
anyone notice that both Vince and JO are on the downsides of their career? Like Cosmic said- stop fooling yourselves that there is some quick fix for this team- there isn't.

We should be sellers in this market, not buyers. Lets get back ending/shorter deals, players with greater flexibility from a potential trade stand point- lets add picks- even if they are future protected.

Send Curry to Miami, get their unprotected this year if possible.

Also- it might be nice to get a teams 1st rounder in 2010, when the rest of the stephon marbury deal is completed.
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2/20/2008  9:08 AM
if this happens knicks fan will be changing jersey
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2/20/2008  9:28 AM
if isiah can move Curry and Q as filler and get back Carter its a win.

Carter's "problem" is he isn't selfish like you'd want your starplayer to be.

thats a problem on NJ where the only other guys who could make a shot were RJ and an injured Krstic.

won't be a problem here. its not a quick fix. you're adding a guy who you can actually run an offense thru. And unlike Crawful's 20 ppg it isn't strictly thru calling his own number and hitting lucky shots. you actually have to game plan for Vince and send a double his way.
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2/20/2008  9:33 AM
Posted by McK1:

if isiah can move Curry and Q as filler and get back Carter its a win.

Carter's "problem" is he isn't selfish like you'd want your starplayer to be.

thats a problem on NJ where the only other guys who could make a shot were RJ and an injured Krstic.

won't be a problem here. its not a quick fix. you're adding a guy who you can actually run an offense thru. And unlike Crawful's 20 ppg it isn't strictly thru calling his own number and hitting lucky shots. you actually have to game plan for Vince and send a double his way.

I think Carters problem is that he's not longer HalfMan-HalfAmazing, he's just HalfMan-HalfDone. I like Carter, I agree with you about his offensive abilities, but he does nothing for us. We aren't going to win anything in the next few years so why not take the opportunity to get some expirings and draft picks?
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2/20/2008  9:42 AM
who is going to trade a draft pick for anyone on NY? the entire league knows NY is FUBARed with all the redundant pieces with bloated deals Isiah kept acquiring.

I will remain in the minority I suppose in thinking adding Vince and getting rid of Curry plus Q or Jeffries will actually benefit the team. don't need half-man half amazing Vince, just the one who still commands a double and can beat it with ball movement.

[Edited by - McK1 on 20-02-2008 09:43 AM]
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2/20/2008  9:45 AM
How much Isiah getting paid under the table for his trades?
I think Marbs knows a lot about it... and Stephan get his part for this.
NBA should check it up...
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2/20/2008  9:45 AM
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

if isiah can move Curry and Q as filler and get back Carter its a win.

Carter's "problem" is he isn't selfish like you'd want your starplayer to be.

thats a problem on NJ where the only other guys who could make a shot were RJ and an injured Krstic.

won't be a problem here. its not a quick fix. you're adding a guy who you can actually run an offense thru. And unlike Crawful's 20 ppg it isn't strictly thru calling his own number and hitting lucky shots. you actually have to game plan for Vince and send a double his way.

I think Carters problem is that he's not longer HalfMan-HalfAmazing, he's just HalfMan-HalfDone. I like Carter, I agree with you about his offensive abilities, but he does nothing for us. We aren't going to win anything in the next few years so why not take the opportunity to get some expirings and draft picks?

I'd rather watch Wilson Chandler play than Vince- we're on pace for 24 wins. What does Vince do to improve that fact? Sure, you might be able to say it balances out the roster, but he's on the wrong side of 30- his best years are behind him and if we are going to tie his awful contract around our necks, I want 3 draft picks to compensate.

the only team that should be looking to add vince would be a team that is already in the play offs, or close- a team like Atlanta (before they added bibby)or Portland would make sense-we're capped out as it is, and we're not close to making the play offs.
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