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Claxton, Walker, Nesterovick - Good or bad?
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NYK8
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7/1/2003  5:28 PM
I LIKE ALL THREE!

SPEEDY=Will run up and down the court dishin to his scorers and no one will stand the chance to stop his speed going in.he steped his game play.

NESTO=Rebounding and playing hard "D" he's got down packed.

WALKER=Will perform way defferently due to the supporting cast surronding him.its not like in boston that the team is only depending him and Pierce to do all the scoring.the guy has good talent,he can score,dribble,past the roc.Chaney will mold him into his game plan and Walker will do it to WIN.
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7/1/2003  10:46 PM
Posted by prodson:

let frank develop into what?

Into a decent starting or backup point guard. If a guy isn't a superstar his first year, you guys think he's garbage. I don't think Frank Williams had a good opportunity last year -- Not only is he trying to learn the most difficult position in basketball at the pro level -- he's playing for a team where it's difficult to crack the starting rotation unless you're a proven veteren. Add to that the fact that he was injured in training camp -- I think the dude deserves another chance.

I'm not saying he's another Jason Kidd, but let's see what the guy can do.
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7/2/2003  1:44 AM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by Caseloads:

we don't need any more points. let frank develop, unless he's junk. we were solid at pg last year. SG is solid with Houston. SF is where spree get's overmatched, but there really aren't any SF's that i'd rather have on my team than Spree, unless we're gettting KG/Dirk (let's see how lampe develops)!

PF - let's throw Sweetney into the fire... and see how he performs.

Center - we really need to draft to get this position set... we might get Vranes or Lampe to perform.

Great post case. Claxton is alright but he cant run a team. He's no better or worse than Ward or Eisley, except Ward defends better and Eisley plays better offense. Claxton is only going to get floundered or injured. Frank Williams has talent but needs the confidence that comes with playing time and for that we have to look to Chaney. Besides I dont see the Spurs giving him up without getting something better in return.

For those that actually watched last year, albeit a painfull task, the Knicks problems werent caused by the point position. It was defense and inside presence that let the knicks down. Being one of the shortest teams in the league we needed to get bigger, which with any luck will develop from the players we drafted. Any moves we make now should be to get better at center period. I would also add that this should be without the cost of one of our main players.

Can't agree with you more, I just hope the right player develops and the right players <cough> Allan Houston <cough> and <cough> Kurt Thomas <cough> get shipped out.
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7/2/2003  11:14 AM
For those who are inexplicably opposed to Speedy Claxton... my advice is this... open your eyes. By the way, there are 11 teams interested in the guy... must be a reason!
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7/2/2003  11:38 AM
i don't think he is garbage i can't form any type of opinion about frank williams...that is why i asked the question, "develop into what?"

i didn't try and put any words into caseloads mouth that is why i asked the question

so why you trying to put words into my mouth sir

i don't think anyone on the planet exepected frank williams to be a superstar
all those years as a fan and now i'm the anti-knick. life is crazy aint it.
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7/2/2003  12:38 PM
Posted by Pike:

For those who are inexplicably opposed to Speedy Claxton... my advice is this... open your eyes. By the way, there are 11 teams interested in the guy... must be a reason!

How about Speedy is a backup point guard that is probably looking for starters money and minutes. He has not proved he can run a team, hit the outside shot or stay healthy. On a good team he is a contibuter and a good role player...on a mediocre team (Knicks) he would be another backup point guard on a team that has e 3 already and one possibly in a year (Ward, Esiley, Williams, Milos.

Let Frank Williams delvelop into a decent backup point guard.

Whats with Knick fans complaining that the Knicks don't develope their players and don't show Milos that they want him here by getting rid of their point gurd glut, and then go and want to pursue another 2nd sting point gaurd?
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7/2/2003  1:08 PM
from my understanding milos is not a knick because he can make more where he is rather than in new york.


that's good business wouldn't you agree
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7/2/2003  4:24 PM
any of them would be a good addition and make the team better.
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7/3/2003  7:57 AM
Speedy played with two 7fters in Texas and had the proper scenario for him to shine there. He would be an avg pt guard for the knicks now, even his shot is suspect on a consistent basis. Now if history serves me right , the knicks "DO NOT" believe in keeping NYC point guards on their rosters.
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7/3/2003  10:53 AM
Berman's article in the Post talked about Duffy (Nestorovic and Claxton's agent) arranging a sign and trade for the former if the Knicks agree to give Claxton the exception.... this makes perfect sense for the Knicks. Vujanic is out of the picture... and Eisley, Ward and Williams can't play... thus, we have NO POINT guard... and we're getting both in this transaction, the BIG MAN we need (Nestorovic, please NOT heartless, Olawakandi) and a point to run the team. We need to do this and buyout CHAR-LIEEE WARD... ASAP!!



... actually Charlie Ward is of value to another team (for CAP purposes) and could be included in trade.

[Edited by - Pike on 07/03/2003 11:00:28]
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7/3/2003  3:53 PM
Getting Speedy Claxton would be the dumpest thing the Knicks can do. Why pay another point guard when you have three under contract and one across the world because he didn't want to come because the knicks had too many point guards in the first place.

First of all the knicks need to have confidence in the point guards they have. Give Frank Williams a chance. Its only been one year. I've seen him play this summer and I guarantee when you see him in the summer league he is going to be ten times better. Eisley is not going anywhere so just include him in all knicks plans. They could buy out Ward' contract but still have to pay to replace him. So that is 2 million place whatever it cost for another point. Nothing less then 1 mill a year. Keep Ward and trade him before January.

They need to get a center. My choice would be Brad Miller. But Nesterovick is not bad. Lord knows we have the four position. So go after a three. My choice wouldBeCorey Maggette. He averaged 16 and is as good as any three in the league. Plus he is young. He is a restricted free agent but so are Brand, Miller, Odom, and Maggette.The cheap Clippers are not going to match all of their offers lets just hope its not Maggette.

To two big positions for the Knicks to concentrate on are the center and small forward position. If we filled these two positions by trading kurt thomas and ward and offering the exception the Knicks line up would look like this.

C-Miller or Nesterovick/Doleac
PF- Sweetney/McDyess/Witherspoon
SF- Maggette/Anderson
SG- Houston/Sprewell
G - Williams/Eisley

Let Sprewell anchor the second unit. Similiar to Nick Van Excel. He won't mind if there winning. And if the foreign players come over that is just a cherry on top.

NO MORE POINT GUARD!!!!!
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7/7/2003  10:31 AM
If we did this, we'd end up with Nestorovic AND Claxton.

In my opinion, going another year with Eisley and Ward would be the dumbest thing we could do... we're currently paying about 13 million a year on three of the worst points in the NBA!!
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7/7/2003  10:45 AM
I'm still waiting for someone to convince me that Speedy is better than Ward or Eisley. Forget about the 3 good games he played in the playoffs and look at his season stats. You guys may laugh and say the Knicks guards are teriible....but put either of them on a team with Duncan and Robinson and you probably still have a champion in San Antonio.

Show me Speedy is better and I'll be all for getting him on the Knicks.
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7/7/2003  10:52 AM
Andrew, the answers to the questions you pose cannot be answered until he signs and has a chance to prove himself.

The knock on Claxton is durabilty... a big concern for anyone potentially coming here.

However, I contend he's vastly quicker than our incumbents... can penetrate, shoot and play defense. We don't currently have this... that we already know for sure... painfully proven over time.
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7/7/2003  10:59 AM
Well Pike that is the same way I feel about vangundy.
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7/7/2003  11:02 AM
How did a discussion about Nestorovic and Claxton turn into Jeff Van Gundy
Claxton, Walker, Nesterovick - Good or bad?

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