He came over in the Spree trade at the time Van Horn had three years and $43.5 million left and will make $13.3 next season- 6 months before Isiah was hired.

He had a good year with the Knicks - but after that he has basically slid in every major category and gotten less effective every year. The last two years (05/06) he was averaging something like 10 ppg/5 rebounds- what is puzzling is that is shooting percentage was always good- but I guess for 14M a year - not good enough?http://www.nba.com/playerfile/keith_van_horn/career_stats.html

Posted by rojasmas:

The old Kidd wouldn't even be the "best player on Dallas." Dirk was and is the best on that team. Hate him or love him. A guy like Kidd who could never score just ain't as good as Dirk. Now, even Josh Howard is better than Kidd. So I hope Cuban got what he didn't want, a washed up 12/10/8 Kidd who may still stuff a stat sheet, but won't be around in the Conference semis to deal with the young turks like Chris Paul and Deron Williams, let alone Steve Nash.

depends how you want to measure 'best' - if you're talking points and boards - yea, dirk & josh are better.

but if you want to talk about being tough, having a winners mentality and knowing how to win, I'm not sure you can even compare them.

Dirk is major league soft - he's a big jump shooting 7 footer who essentially plays 2 guard.

Posted by franco12:

Posted by rojasmas:

The old Kidd wouldn't even be the "best player on Dallas." Dirk was and is the best on that team. Hate him or love him. A guy like Kidd who could never score just ain't as good as Dirk. Now, even Josh Howard is better than Kidd. So I hope Cuban got what he didn't want, a washed up 12/10/8 Kidd who may still stuff a stat sheet, but won't be around in the Conference semis to deal with the young turks like Chris Paul and Deron Williams, let alone Steve Nash.

depends how you want to measure 'best' - if you're talking points and boards - yea, dirk & josh are better.

but if you want to talk about being tough, having a winners mentality and knowing how to win, I'm not sure you can even compare them.

Dirk is major league soft - he's a big jump shooting 7 footer who essentially plays 2 guard.

I think you are very wrong about Dirk being soft! There are very few players in the league with his motor and he is a guy that will work his butt of on a nightly basis!!!! I have been able to follow his carreer since he was 16 yo and he has never been soft! Dont mistake his style of play with an unwillingness to sacrifice his body... he just knows very very well, what his strenght is and that is def. his jumper!!!
Now talking about a leader, I dont remember Jason Kidd wining a championship and neither did Dirk of course...