anything is better than what we got going right now... it doesn't hurt us in any way, shape or form... the fact that i also don't want to build on top of this current team anymore is the exact reason why i want Zach & Curry outta here... until someone tells me how we're getting that real player to build around i don't get the opposition to this one to be honest... we still will have that lottery pick, so that's our only real out... until that happens, if there's any possible way to get rid of Zach w/o sacrificing any future cap flexibility or youth, i'm all for it, so i have to disagree w/u on this one.
My way of thinking is that KMart's value is lower than Zach's so we'd be lowering our flexibility. Also I don't think Kenyon would be happy coming off the bench behind Lee. It seems like a bad trade to me.
i'm biased on this one cuz i've always loved KMart's attitude & aggression, even when he was playing for the Nuts & i hated his guts... i always wanted players on my team like that... Starks, Mason, Childs, Oakley... these guys i loved to watch cuz they didn't take any crap from anyone... yeah, it's great to have class acts like Houston & Ward too, but you can't have all nice guys on your team... u need some bad asses to regulate sometimes, & i'm talking about on the court, not while you're out at clubs w/ur gangsta buddies.
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anything is better than what we got going right now... it doesn't hurt us in any way, shape or form... the fact that i also don't want to build on top of this current team anymore is the exact reason why i want Zach & Curry outta here... until someone tells me how we're getting that real player to build around i don't get the opposition to this one to be honest... we still will have that lottery pick, so that's our only real out... until that happens, if there's any possible way to get rid of Zach w/o sacrificing any future cap flexibility or youth, i'm all for it, so i have to disagree w/u on this one.
My way of thinking is that KMart's value is lower than Zach's so we'd be lowering our flexibility. Also I don't think Kenyon would be happy coming off the bench behind Lee. It seems like a bad trade to me.
And if he blows out his knee again we're screwed. No need to play Rush and Roulette on trades.
if he blows out his knee so what... that only means D Lee becomes the defacto starter like he should be anyway... if the team gets worse that only means a better lottery pick... i am sick to my stomach everytime i watch this current team play w/this mismatched frontcourt that doesn't complement one another in the least bit... hell, i'd rather see D Lee starting at C w/KMart at PF than what we're seeing now... at least that team would be fun to watch on fastbreaks.
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Any move that is made, that doesn't put us in position to obtain picks or have salary come off the books in the coming years is a bad trade. If a trade is made to build on top of this current team so we can somehow back into an 8th seed I am going to shoot myself. No more building on top of this current team. Break it up already!!!!!!!! Time to find a real player to build around. Enough of these unmotivated jokers
That's all I'm saying. Trading a few guys in the locker room is key......either if its for guys we've talked about or others.
I might be annoying to some but wtf is the point of saying you don't want Isiah to make any more moves. That's annoying as hell. Its easy to sit back and repeat posts everyday of how dumb someone elses ideas are.
We are on an internet forum about the Knicks! Don't think you are a better loser than anyone else here.
That's all I gotta say. Everyone wants isiah fired. Since he won't get fired cuz of the dolans.....then yes isiah needs to ****ing do something to prepare for the draft and the off-season.
The end.
All we're saying is this Enyspree
We've made these types of trades in the past they did nothing.
We traded for Marbury because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded for Crawford because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded for Curry because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded fr Randolph because we thought he was better than what we had
Let's stop rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Let things bottom out because this is one philosophy we've yet to adopt. If we make a trade do as Bip, I, and others have stated. If not look at buyouts after next yr. One thing we do know about this team, they a CHAMPS at sucking so keep them together and duplicate this next yr because trading for a guy like K-Mart and Zerbiak could make us a 35 win team if they stay healthy instead of a 25 win team if we never trade for them. I doubt if we trade for those two we'd get worse than what we are now, so unless we're getting appreciably better there's no need to trade for them.
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The problem with trades is that they buy Isiah more time to see if they work, and any little spurt, like a month or two of .500 ball, like last season, might justify his extension in the mind of Dolan.
First order of business is to halt construction, fire the bonehead who built the tower without a foundation, bring in a new engineer and let him make the necessary changes.
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if he blows out his knee so what... that only means D Lee becomes the defacto starter like he should be anyway... if the team gets worse that only means a better lottery pick... i am sick to my stomach everytime i watch this current team play w/this mismatched frontcourt that doesn't complement one another in the least bit... hell, i'd rather see D Lee starting at C w/KMart at PF than what we're seeing now... at least that team would be fun to watch on fastbreaks.
Oh I get what you're saying. I feel the same way about Curry. I want to trade him right away even though that may not be the best thing to do because I just can't stand watching him play any longer. I just hate his game.
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The problem with trades is that they buy Isiah more time to see if they work, and any little spurt, like a month or two of .500 ball, like last season, might justify his extension in the mind of Dolan.
First order of business is to halt construction, fire the bonehead who built the tower without a foundation, bring in a new engineer and let him make the necessary changes.
That's essentially what I said and I agree. No more experimentations we have the worst CHEMIST ignorant of all ELEMENTS and their reactions to each other.
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anything is better than what we got going right now... it doesn't hurt us in any way, shape or form... the fact that i also don't want to build on top of this current team anymore is the exact reason why i want Zach & Curry outta here... until someone tells me how we're getting that real player to build around i don't get the opposition to this one to be honest... we still will have that lottery pick, so that's our only real out... until that happens, if there's any possible way to get rid of Zach w/o sacrificing any future cap flexibility or youth, i'm all for it, so i have to disagree w/u on this one.
I was making a general statment and not referreing to what you were talking about. Any trade that fits in with my general statement is a good one.
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We traded for Marbury because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded for Crawford because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded for Curry because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded fr Randolph because we thought he was better than what we had
in all of those trades, we were either giving up draft picks or future cap flexibility, neither of which anyone is advocating here... if a trade is available that can potentially help to address the team imbalance issues while not taking on any added longterm cap money or giving up any draft picks or youth, i have no problem with it, that's all i'm saying.
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We traded for Marbury because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded for Crawford because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded for Curry because we thought he was better than what we had
We traded fr Randolph because we thought he was better than what we had
in all of those trades, we were either giving up draft picks or future cap flexibility, neither of which anyone is advocating here... if a trade is available that can potentially help to address the team imbalance issues while not taking on any added longterm cap money or giving up any draft picks or youth, i have no problem with it, that's all i'm saying.
Why stop there you should add any players who are an injury risk.
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I agree that Zeke should be allowed, indeed required, to do more trades. I hope that he will also include the Knicks first round pick for next year in any trade deal that he does.
I think he should go for an offensive player - someone who can really score. Never mind about defense.
He may be able to get someone talented if that person is troubled - maybe someone who is talented but has never helped his team win. Or someone with a history of minor arrests. This is the type of guy we need on this team right now. We need a selfish player who'll say "this ball is mine!"
Yes, please. Let Zeke do more trades.
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Eny, you're my dude, but cmon.. Kenyon Martin? Earl Watson? Theres no way in hell Isiah should NOT be fired if he gets those 2 guys.
I tell you what, if Isiah got those 2 guys, and KMart was healthy, and added them to our core and we still had Larry Brown, they would fit.
KMart hasn't been healthy in in three years...He has spent more time on the bench than on the court in recent years...It's the same mistakes we have been making thinking a player will be different in Knick uniform...
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I can't believe people are pining for more trades...Is it not obvious we have bigger problems...We need a regime change, then let the new regime make changes...Isiah has to go and nothing will change until he is gone...
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the same mistake would entail giving up our draft pick & future cap flexibility to make the deal... no one's saying to do either.
NO MORE TRADES. No IFS ANDS or BUTS. We need to hit the bottom, get rid of Isiah, get a GM who can actually understand the concept of a team and chemistry and then and only then can we think opf making trades.
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the same mistake would entail giving up our draft pick & future cap flexibility to make the deal... no one's saying to do either.
So I guess Big Turd,JJ2,Marbury,Francis,Jalen Rose,Malik Rose,Curry,Tim Thomas,Jerome Williams,Mo Taylor,Penny Hardarway,Vin Baker etc. weren't mistakes....
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the same mistake would entail giving up our draft pick & future cap flexibility to make the deal... no one's saying to do either.
So I guess Big Turd,JJ2,Marbury,Francis,Jalen Rose,Malik Rose,Curry,Tim Thomas,Jerome Williams,Mo Taylor,Penny Hardarway,Vin Baker etc. weren't mistakes....
those guys were all gotten by taking on more longterm cap... it would help to actually read the posts before responding to them.
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the same mistake would entail giving up our draft pick & future cap flexibility to make the deal... no one's saying to do either.
So I guess Big Turd,JJ2,Marbury,Francis,Jalen Rose,Malik Rose,Curry,Tim Thomas,Jerome Williams,Mo Taylor,Penny Hardarway,Vin Baker etc. weren't mistakes....
those guys were all gotten by taking on more longterm cap... it would help to actually read the posts before responding to them.
For your guide cap is never an issue because the Knicks has and will always be over it...You act as thought the Knicks makes trades with cap space in mind...
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you act as though that's some newsflash you're educating me on... i've made my viewpoints on this thread pretty clear... there is no added cap we'd be taking on w/a trade of this nature & the upside is it can help us address some of our team imbalance issues, otherwise i wouldn't be in favor of it.
btw, it still boggles my mind how some of you deem certain definitions out of someone else's replies... someone says they're not in favor of taking on any more added cap & then you come up with references to Big Turd, Jefferies, et. al... seriously, are some of you on crack?
[Edited by - TMS on 02-14-2008 5:18 PM]
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Everyone feels the same way, yet people feel they should say, "oh I can't believe people still want trades". Seriously check the amount of people that has said that in this thread.
The title of the thread and my comments say and suggest that if isiah can't make a trade or is unable to because of dolan.......he should be fired.
Is this the crackhead version of the drunken post taken to the extream in an entire thread?
Lets organize a protest ans stop arguing about the same ****. We are agreeing you mainiacs!!!
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