Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by tkf:

It reminds me of how some teams don't get it. Looking at the Hawks roster in 2003/2004, when they traded for rasheed wallace, they had a roster that included, Jason Terry, Boris diaw, Stephen jackson and Joel pryzbilla. Rasheed played in that 1 game with the hawks vs the nets and he had 20/6 and 5 blocks.... Just think if they had kept wallace and that team together,
Diaw, terry, wallace, stephen jackson.. I mean that is a lot of talent. Instead they trade sheed in what seemed like a salary dump/ favor from the Hawks GM to the pistons GM. I mean that trade set the hawks back for years and they have never recovered. When I saw that game, and how sheed could have changed the hawks, I almost cried when they gave him to the pistons.. the hawks never recovered and the pistons are who they are now....

This just reminds me of some of the stupid trades GM's make now, like the gasol trade. Sometimes these organizations just don't get it.. they just don't!! since then, the hawks have had plenty of cap space to replace a guy like sheed, and they have yet to come close..

in fall fairness i think u need to wait til u see what MEM does w/those picks & that cap space before determining they made a terrible mistake or not... what ATL did was pathetic... they basically sold Sheed for picks that they pissed down the drain anyways... if MEM goes & drafts wisely using their lottery pick this season along w/those added picks & adds a FA somewhere down the road w/that newfound cap space i think people might look at this trade a whole lot differently, not to mention if Pau's bro & Javaris Crittendon pans out to be anything more than solid NBA talents

[Edited by - TMS on 02-12-2008 5:24 PM]

maybe so, but how good are those picks? the lakers are going to be one of the better teams in the league? I do think crittendon will be a nice player, but he is redundant, they have conley and lowry..

David Lee was picked 30th and let's not forget all of the second round draft pick studs that have panned out. You can't write those 1rst round picks off as if they have no value. It's way too early to judge the trade.

Plus in your ATL reflection you do realize ATL would have had to offer new deals to Wallace, Diaw, Terry, and Pyrz. Seriously would you want to roll with that team sealing it's future. ATL's problem was drafting Josh Smith, Childress, Williams, and Williams.

They could have had Deng, and/or Iguadola, Kevin Martin in 2004, Chris Paul in 2005, Bradon Roy and Paul Milsap in 2006.

Clearly their problem has been drafting

That team right there could get a 4th seed in the east I think...... But you are right, drafting has been the hawks biggest problem, but a team with wallace, diaw, pryz and terry would not have been bad at all...

I'm saying it would have been hard to judge what direction they should have gone considering the deals that were coming to these guys. How do you judge what to do with Wallace after he's only played half a season? Dumars/Det gave Sheed $50mil, Atl gave Diaw $45mil, Dallas gave Terry $50mil, Portland gave Pyrz $30mil, then Jackson was on the books along with Reef. I just don't see how to justify going all in with that team even in hindsight.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-13-2008 10:08 AM]

but when you look at it, you have a team that would be a solid playoff contender possibly, even with those salaries you are not that bad cap wise, but lets say you move pryz, and reef (which they did)you still have a solid core with sheed, terry, diaw and jackson. With sheed, you know what you have, he had a body of work in portland to look at, and you should be able to evaluate a player after half a season. Jackson was a solid player for Atlanta as was JT... At some point it is about evaluating talent and realizing what you have. Do you honestly thinka team of Sheed, jackson, diaw and terry is not a good team? I would love to see that team now. If you can't see going all in with that team, then when do you go all in?

Well for one Sheed was at the time still a headcase. He went to a team with stability(Det) to retain his value but as with the trade landing him in ATL no one in the league wanted Sheed that bad. Would he have maintained his worth in ATL, very difficult to reason he would.

Diaw is nice so is Terry but Diaw appears to be a player who only has a specific fit. Hindsight always had the advantage but like I said they chose a good path they veered off of it with very poor drafting.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-13-2008 12:10 PM]