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2/12/2008  4:59 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by McK1:

If they're considering it they likely feel Salmons gives them enough at the 3 and with such a tight race out West the competition will be hard and intense and Ron is too volatile to depend on like we saw in the Jazz game a few weeks back.

Plus Brad's back-up is a 19 year old rookie.

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-02-2008 4:36 PM]


While those things may be issues at hand they have bigger ones and you don't address those by adding someone of many deficiencies as Curry. We would be taking their most versatile defender away from them and their Top 3 offensive weapon. Salmons is a very nice role player but he's not Artest.

even with Artest the Kings are the 7th worst team in points against, 8th worst in opposing fg%, 7th worst in opposing 3pt%,amd the 6th worst hackingest team in the league. something from these numbers tell me they aren't trying to win with defense.

in contrast,
offensively they are ranked in the top 10 in points and 3pt% but are 29th with NY being 30th in assists and 1st in turnovers.

Sac has an Eddy Curry type approach to the game right down to the asst/to rankings

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-02-2008 5:00 PM]
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2/12/2008  5:07 PM
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Another source told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks made overtures recently indicating they were willing to trade centers Eddy Curry and Jerome James for Artest and Thomas, but the Kings were balking at taking on the remaining two years and $12.8 million owed to James.

"The whole point of trying to package Artest with Thomas (due $7.9 million next season and $8.6 million in 2009-10) is to clear cap space. The Kings don't want another guy (James) clogging their cap for two more years," the source said.
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Thank you Isiah for signing big snacks to this outrageous contract 5 yrs 30 mil

why not simply substitute Malik's contract in there instead then? would seem to make sense... this type of trade doesn't really hurt our longterm cap since we'd be unloading Curry's deal in the process anyway & adding a much better player in Artest, regardless of the risks he carries.

Curry & Malik for Artest & KT? that's a no brainer if u ask me... or throw them Jones' expiring along w/Chandler, Morris or Mardy w/cash to get it done if they wanted any of those guys... none of them are doing much for us regardless.

C - Zach (that's where he'd play if this trade went down) / Morris or Turd
PF - D Lee / KT / Jefferies
SF - Artest / Balkman / Chandler or Jefferies
SG - Q Rich / Jones or Mardy
PG - Jamal / Nate
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2/12/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by McK1:

If they're considering it they likely feel Salmons gives them enough at the 3 and with such a tight race out West the competition will be hard and intense and Ron is too volatile to depend on like we saw in the Jazz game a few weeks back.

Plus Brad's back-up is a 19 year old rookie.



While those things may be issues at hand they have bigger ones and you don't address those by adding someone of many deficiencies as Curry. We would be taking their most versatile defender away from them and their Top 3 offensive weapon. Salmons is a very nice role player but he's not Artest.

even with Artest the Kings are the 7th worst team in points against, 8th worst in opposing fg%, 7th worst in opposing 3pt%,amd the 6th worst hackingest team in the league. something from these numbers tell me they aren't trying to win with defense.

in contrast,
offensively they are ranked in the top 10 in points and 3pt% but are 29th with NY being 30th in assists and 1st in turnovers.

Sac has an Eddy Curry type approach to the game right down to the asst/to rankings

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-02-2008 5:00 PM]


No need to completely take away the little defense they do have and make them 100% inept by adding Curry. Besides they have the 6th best scoring offense in the West and only have a 2pt differential in PF to PA. They need to play a little better defense and Curry would provide them with NADA!
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2/12/2008  5:23 PM
guess it'll ultimately depend on what they feel they have a better chance at doing:

25-27 mpg where Curry is strictly bought in to score and put teams in the penalty making Martin who is already great at getting to the stripe more dangerous (which is something I thought would be the gameplan with the Marbury-Curry pairing)

or

hoping they can get the guys they have to morph into defenders
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2/12/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by McK1:

guess it'll ultimately depend on what they feel they have a better chance at doing:

25-27 mpg where Curry is strictly bought in to score and put teams in the penalty making Martin who is already great at getting to the stripe more dangerous (which is something I thought would be the gameplan with the Marbury-Curry pairing)

or

hoping they can get the guys they have to morph into defenders

Considering they've won 10 of their last 16 which is about the time they started to get healthy I'm guessing they go with the latter.
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2/12/2008  5:44 PM
Posted by kam77:

Enough about Villanueva already. What the hell is so special about a guy Toronto couldn't wait to deal away. Same guy who said he and Bosh would be the next SuperStar combo in the league. Same guy who plays like Tim-Thomas (the body, the skill, the desire to shoot threes). If you want Donyell Marshall just say so.

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2/12/2008  6:33 PM
Maybe getting Kenny Thomas was all part of Isiah's master plan! He gave up the FOUR draft picks for EY just because he thought EY would help us get Kenny. If you give up an outstanding asset like EY, you might have to include only two or three picks to get Kenny Thomas, which would amount to six or seven total picks given up to get him. Without EY, you'd be giving up at least ten picks for Kenny Thomas. Isiah's a genius; we just haven't appreciated him enough yet!
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2/12/2008  6:45 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Who cares? Isiah will be here forever. People should just act as if they don't even exist until Isiah is actually fired.

Seriously... The NCAA tournament is soon, after that pitchers and catcher report, then the Giants begin their title defense. The Knicks are completely unnecessary... I suppose I should thank Isiah for showing me the light. I honestly could care less about the Knicks... and I don't remember that ever being true. I hope Jimmy falls down some stairs.
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2/12/2008  7:19 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Wait, they're balking at James' contract and not Curry's uninsured 50 pound overweight heart concerned contract?

LOL


BTW, the deal doesn't help us much. Artest won't save us. Thomas' contract doesn't help us unless you view 2010 as the summer we are out from under Isiah mess. If you do then maybe it's a good trade for us.

Sacramento BTW is worse than your most homeristic realgm fan: They believe their entire roster, although they want it all gone, is worth Gold+1 and nothing less.

Screw them. They might be the most delusional front office when it comes to trade scenarios. One trip to the Sac RealGM board will educate you on the ridiculous atmosphere they live in.


well look at the two owners, they look like two nerd porno producers. They probably feel bibby is worth kobe or Duncan.. LOL...
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2/12/2008  8:09 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Siar617:

sacs pick and collins

So in essence you're saying David Lee, Malik Rose, 1rst round pick, and Mardy for Artest and CV. That's not a good trade at all.

dont put words in my mouth i want sac to give a pick if they want lee
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2/12/2008  9:35 PM
Artest and Mikke Moore for Zach Randolph works financially and seems to make sense in terms of basketball too. Knicks get their badly needed SF/perimeter defender and Sacramento gets some size and rebounding up front.
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2/12/2008  10:05 PM
Whole Article....REAL interesting tidbits....
About a month ago, we told you how NBA executives believed Pau Gasol would be the next big name traded. They were as right on that as they were wrong on Shaquille O'Neal, whom many felt was among the NBA's most untradable players.

Well, many of those same folks are now saying that Ron Artest will be the next to go, with Jason Kidd coming in a distant second.

Why a distant second?

Because as they've shopped the disgruntled Kidd, the New Jersey Nets have been presented with offers that, if accepted, would leave the Popovich Commission in an uproar. (For those of you who missed it, San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich reacted to the Gasol trade by saying there should be a committee with the power to veto NBA trades that make no sense. Mark Cuban later seconded the motion.)

Further, Kidd's representatives are trying to steer him to one of his three preferred destinations: Dallas, Cleveland or the Los Angeles Lakers, and that is scaring off other teams with the goods to get him.

Artest, meanwhile, is being publicly melancholic over his potential departure from the Kings, who are trying to include Kenny Thomas in any Artest deal.

Sources told ESPN.com that talks between the Kings and Nuggets, first reported by the Sacramento Bee, involved a larger deal than has been reported. In addition to wanting to include Thomas in their outgoing package, the Kings were believed to be seeking Linas Kleiza and Nene.

There remains a chance the talks could be restarted, sources said, if Sacramento were to drop its asking price, but the most the Nuggets are currently willing to surrender is a package of Eduardo Najera and a first-round draft pick.

"If Artest opts out like everyone expects, you're basically talking about a rent-a-player deal," said one Western Conference executive familiar with the Nuggets-Kings talks.
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Eddy Curry

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As disappointing as Eddy Curry has been, he might have trade value.

Another source told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks made overtures recently indicating they were willing to trade centers Eddy Curry and Jerome James for Artest and Thomas, but the Kings were balking at taking on the remaining two years and $12.8 million owed to James.

"The whole point of trying to package Artest with Thomas (due $7.9 million next season and $8.6 million in 2009-10) is to clear cap space. The Kings don't want another guy (James) clogging their cap for two more years," the source said.

The Nuggets' willingness to give up this June's first-round draft pick will keep them a player in the Artest stakes, but it also could make the difference in their pursuit of Memphis point guard Kyle Lowry, who is being shopped by the Memphis Grizzlies.

Memphis also is fielding offers for Mike Miller but is trying to include little-used, heavily compensated forward Brian Cardinal (two years remaining at $6.3M and $6.75M) in any deal.


The Nuggets, Bulls, 76ers, Heat, Warriors and Nets are among the teams seeking to acquire Lowry, the 24th overall pick in 2006 who became expandable when the Grizzlies acquired Javaris Crittenton from the Lakers in the Gasol trade.

"The Grizzlies want to have at least three first-round picks this summer," the source said.

A few other situations that are impacting the trade market:

• Despite his denials, Sam Cassell would welcome a buyout from the Los Angeles Clippers, who would prefer to trade him. The Nuggets are in the mix here, too, but if Cassell gets a buyout, he will almost certainly join the Celtics.

• As hard as the Nets are trying to trade Kidd, they are devoting nearly as much attention to shopping Vince Carter. One prominent player agent, who did not want to be identified, said a Carter-Jermaine O'Neal swap -- with the Nets tossing in an additional piece -- would be the likeliest endgame if the Pacers are unable to find a preferable deal for a young prospect and expiring contracts.

• The Chicago Bulls are being described as "all over the map" in their trade talks. In addition to trying to move Ben Wallace, one source said the Bulls are now "as open as they've ever been" to trading Ben Gordon. Discussions recently broke down between the Bulls and Hornets over a deal that would have sent shooter Rasual Butler to Chicago.

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2/12/2008  10:07 PM
I'll take on Cardinal for Lowry and Miller:

Incoming Players
Kyle Lowry
6-0 PG from Villanova
8.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 3.5 apg in 24.7 minutes
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
3.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 9.3 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
17.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.7 apg in 37.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.3 apg in 25.2 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
13.9 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 26.6 minutes
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2/12/2008  10:30 PM
"The Grizzlies want to have at least three first-round picks this summer," the source said.

sure sounds like they have something more than just dumping salary on their minds to me.
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2/12/2008  10:43 PM
Posted by TMS:
"The Grizzlies want to have at least three first-round picks this summer," the source said.

sure sounds like they have something more than just dumping salary on their minds to me.

I made reference earlier about there's no way they made the trade with a one track mind. Maybe 1 and 1a possibly a 1b mind but not strictly with fiscal tunnel vision.
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