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Solace
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2/5/2008  11:18 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
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Posted by djsunyc:
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The Suns would have to have the worst GM in the NBA for this to happen. Shawn Marion is awesome and I don't know why media writers keep undercutting him year after year with stupid unbalanced trade rumors.

marion is looking for a big time extension and he can opt out after this season and the suns aren't looking to give him one. (not to mention his diva-like tendencies)

That's all well and good, and I could see Marion going in the right deal. Nonetheless, we all know this is an utter ripoff for the Suns. The Suns would be better off letting Marion expire than do this trade. Marion's contract ends a year earlier than Shaq's.

Complete garbage rumor. Miami would have to throw in their #1 for this to start approaching a fair trade.

I think Miami throwing in their #1 would definetely be the deal breaker, especially since they have the best chance of getting the first pick as of now.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 02-05-2008 11:12 PM]

Potentially. It more comes to down having to give up something to get something. Shaq's value is currently low -- big contract, moderate returns, and will likely retire once his contract is done. Without the Heat giving something of value, there's no reason for the Suns to deal.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 05 2008 11:18 PM]
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2/5/2008  11:26 PM
The Suns need to move either Marion or Amare but I wouldn't do it for Shaq unless I get Dorrell Wright and Haslem in return. The Deal needs to be expanded. Phoenix is approaching an impasse with their current roster and a run at a championship. They need to do something.
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2/6/2008  12:10 AM
This trade helps the Knicks because the Heat will undoubtedly improve enough to get us into the #1 pick race if we keep losing.

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2/6/2008  12:39 AM
I'm sure Kerr wants Shaq. The one weakness on their team is the lack of a big, bruising post scorer that can block some shots. Who knows how much longer Nash has left... makes sense to me to figure out how to get Shaq on the roster, but Marion seems like a steep price. Then again, Marion may opt out of Phoenix because he isn't happy. They're over the cap, so the really couldn't replace him.

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2/6/2008  1:09 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

When is Isiah gonna make a trade?

If Shaq goes to Pheonix for Marion I will be so pissed.

don't worry, i'm sure he's feverishly working the phones as we speak for a blockbuster Darius Miles trade.
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2/6/2008  2:35 AM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'm sure Kerr wants Shaq. The one weakness on their team is the lack of a big, bruising post scorer that can block some shots. Who knows how much longer Nash has left... makes sense to me to figure out how to get Shaq on the roster, but Marion seems like a steep price. Then again, Marion may opt out of Phoenix because he isn't happy. They're over the cap, so the really couldn't replace him.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 02-06-2008 12:39 AM]

You're right. It's not about the regular season for Pheonix. If Shaq can get healthy for the playoffs, he demands a double/triple team, though I don't think he can provide much shot-blocking. Then Stoudemire becomes even more dominant at power forward facing single coverage, and the outside shooters will be completely open.

It is a move designed to work directly against the Spurs, because Tim Duncan can't guard both Shaq and Stoudemire, and the Lakers have to put Bynum on Shaq -- Bynum can't guard Shaq, and Gasol on Stoudemire -- Gasol can't guard Stoudemire.

But it only works if Shaq can get healthy by the playoffs.

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[Edited by - oohah on 06-02-2008 02:36 AM]
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2/6/2008  2:45 AM
i don't think Shaq fits their run & gun style... he belongs on a half court team or a team w/another Kobe/Wade type superstar... Nash is awesome but i think Marion is so much of a better fit for their system than Shaq is... i could see Shaq fitting perfectly playing w/Lebron in CLE, or maybe together with Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun & Sheed in DET... that would be a formidable starting 5 right there... hear that Boston? 'FORMIDABLE'!
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2/6/2008  2:50 AM
Posted by TMS:

i don't think Shaq fits their run & gun style... he belongs on a half court team or a team w/another Kobe/Wade type superstar... Nash is awesome but i think Marion is so much of a better fit for their system than Shaq is... i could see Shaq fitting perfectly playing w/Lebron in CLE, or maybe together with Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun & Sheed in DET... that would be a formidable starting 5 right there... hear that Boston? 'FORMIDABLE'!

It definitely is a gamble. The thing is, I think they are shifting focus so that they can play both uptempo and half-court. There is no reason Phoenix' team can't play well in the half-court with Shaq anchoring the middle.

Marion is great but that team is not winning the title as configured, so they are rolling the dice. 6 weeks of real Shaq can be pretty damn helpful.

Another plus is Phoenix gets rid of that burger Marcus Banks!

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2/6/2008  3:23 AM
fair points... this allows Amare to play his natural PF position & definitely adds the muscle to match up against teams that they've had troubles with in the past like the Spurs & Mavs... 1 has to wonder how much Shaq has left in his tank tho... he's played in most of the Heat's games this year & hasn't had much of an effect on their W-L record.
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2/6/2008  6:02 AM
IMO the Suns are stupid if they do that deal unless Shaqs proves everyone wrong and comes back playing decent basketball.
They are a bit afraid after the Gasol trade and this is probably their last championships run (Nash will be 35 soon and I dont think he will last much more than 1 year at this level). So they wanted to get bigger and stronger while killing the style that has turned Nash into MVP and Stoudamire into one of the best players in the league. Financially it is also bad.
They have put themselves in a position that everything which does not end up in a ring will make this trade horrible, and to make things worse, their roster is not better than it was by any means.
In the end it may work, but it is very unlikely.

Yes, I admit I hate the Suns

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 06-02-2008 06:12 AM]
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2/6/2008  7:06 AM
Riley has more brains than Isiah, if this is a done deal Miami can go out and get Elton Brand who wants to play on the east coast with Wade and Marion and maybe Arenas..... the heat could possibly be a dream team.

And as for Phoenix, nash and Amare and Marion was not the answer.

If shaq heals up and gets in shape and becomes a defensive juggernaut by clogging the middle, phoenix will possibly win the chip this yr.

Amare is not a center , but a true PF.Add Nash to the half court set with Shaq in the paint allowing Hill, Barbosa and Raja Bell to knocking down wide open looks. Look what Shaq did for the heat with Posey ,Kapono, and House.

Both teams should benefit, Phoenix for chance at a title run (a chip now) and Miami for the immediate future.



[Edited by - playa2 on 06-02-2008 07:31]
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2/6/2008  7:41 AM
interesting wrinkle. this season needed it. gasol trade livens things up as well.

shaq doesn’t need to do nearly as much for phoenix as he needed to do for miami in order to be the difference-maker. kerr must believe what he still has is enough to do it. and shaq has shown he has no problem deferring and playing a supporting role.

anything to spice this season up.
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2/6/2008  5:33 PM
I can't believe 70% of fans said that shaq won't work in phoenix.

If he is healthy, they can't advance with out a "real center" come playofftime. Nash can't do it alone.
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2/6/2008  5:42 PM

I don't think this is a good trade for the Suns. However I think Miami made a good move. Shaq is at the down hill of this career right now. Most importantly he is always injured. My point is how can Shaq help the Suns if he is always injured and normally shows up in the beginning of the season out of shape? To make things worse the Suns play an up tempo style of ball. With Shaq in the game the Suns would now have to change to more of a halfcourt team.


As for the Heat, I think this is the right move. Marion is one of the best sf in the game. He also plays good defense and can rebound. This will be a complement to Wade who is one the best defense guards in the league. If the Heat pick up a player like Derrick Rose in the draft watch out now. That would leave the Heat with a solid player at the 1,2, and 3 spots.


Overall Shaq has become a rent a player. Let's see if he Suns can make to the championship this year.
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2/6/2008  5:45 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

When is Isiah gonna make a trade?

If Shaq goes to Pheonix for Marion I will be so pissed.
I don't think Isiah right now is allowed to make a trade. It would be surprising if Isiah is around next year. Right I would assume that Dolan has the handcuffs on Isiah.
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2/6/2008  5:58 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by EnySpree:

When is Isiah gonna make a trade?

If Shaq goes to Pheonix for Marion I will be so pissed.
I don't think Isiah right now is allowed to make a trade. It would be surprising if Isiah is around next year. Right I would assume that Dolan has the handcuffs on Isiah.

I think that's what it is also. Why should Isiah deserve to trade anyway ?
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2/6/2008  6:34 PM
What has Phoenix won with the high octane offense only?

This is why the trade was made, they want to win now their window is closing with Nash the golden boy.

When has the playoffs been about high octane offense ?

The reg season means nothing. The best defensive teams are the ones that play in the conf finals and win.

Boris Diaw and Grant Hill can take the place of Marion easily.

What has been Phoenix's problem?


Most fans who like exciting ball love phoenix's style of play, but remember that prevails only in the reg season and early rds of the playoffs.

Why do you think G-State can knock off Dallas but then get beatdown ?

You need a half court game with a low post threat at crunch time, hack a shaq will be in full effect but the Suns have enough 3 pt shooters to win it all.

Who's gonna try and drive on shaq and Amare in meaningful games in the paint without risking getting their heads torn off.

Great move Kerr, it's all about getting a chip , not about having a dynasty.

Phoenix always came up empty with no low post defense .

Shaq doesn't have to run up and down.

Did Kareem run up and down with Magic Johnson in his latter yrs?

They either fastbreaked or pulled the ball back out and waited for the big fella.

Cmon fellas know ya history of the game!
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2/6/2008  7:20 PM
Posted by playa2:

I can't believe 70% of fans said that shaq won't work in phoenix.

If he is healthy, they can't advance with out a "real center" come playofftime. Nash can't do it alone.

I agree with this. This trade would help them a lot in the playoffs so long as Shaq is healthy. Marion's a great player, though. They really should be getting Haslem in the deal too if they're giving up the younger player and taking back the worse contract. But Shaq is exactly what the Suns need to balance their attack. You don't need five fast players to play a "run and gun" game. He lets them play fast pace or half court and is still a very good rebouner and shot-blocker if you look at his per 48 #s.
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2/6/2008  7:31 PM
Done deal
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