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Allanfan20
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2/6/2008  3:19 PM
Yeah, but the smoke is a mist from the dust. NOT a fire. I dunno bballjones.
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2/6/2008  3:21 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Bip and BballJones, I have a question to ask you though. Now I can understand that the dust needs to settle and all and that will take a few years, but what if it leaves behind a smokey mist. How long does that usually take the clear out. I am just speaking theoretically of course.

Did someone say smoke? No problem. Fireman Zeke will be Johnny on the spot with the fire department to douse the flames of unathletic, uninspired play. He will rescue the joy from the Larry Brown blaze, and in this way, he'll save the day.

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2/6/2008  4:19 PM
Why you dont resign anyone on this team. If you sign Lee for 50 million and Nate for 30 million that is 160 million in two role players that toward the end of the contract has a chance of being on a good team. Trade Lee and Nate with a bad contract and get a good player for each of them. In three years you trade for picks, and salary dump all the bad contracts. Get three lottery picks and rebuild that way with the two players you get in trades. I would fire IT as the President and make him coach this team for the next two years because there is no way this team will be able to compete.
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2/6/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yeah, but the smoke is a mist from the dust. NOT a fire. I dunno bballjones.

Smoke from mist? What are you babbling about man? Have you been drinking again?
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2/6/2008  5:26 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yeah, but the smoke is a mist from the dust. NOT a fire. I dunno bballjones.

Smoke from mist? What are you babbling about man? Have you been drinking again?

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2/6/2008  6:48 PM
Posted by King1:

Why you dont resign anyone on this team. If you sign Lee for 50 million and Nate for 30 million that is 160 million in two role players that toward the end of the contract has a chance of being on a good team. Trade Lee and Nate with a bad contract and get a good player for each of them. In three years you trade for picks, and salary dump all the bad contracts. Get three lottery picks and rebuild that way with the two players you get in trades. I would fire IT as the President and make him coach this team for the next two years because there is no way this team will be able to compete.

U are smoking chiba if u think Lee gets 50 mil..
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2/6/2008  6:52 PM
He's trade bait for just about every team in the league and everyone in the league thinks very highly of him. With the market the way it is, there is no doubt in my mind that he can get 50 million from any given team. Which means Isiah will sign him for 85 million, 6 years.
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2/6/2008  6:55 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He's trade bait for just about every team in the league and everyone in the league thinks very highly of him. With the market the way it is, there is no doubt in my mind that he can get 50 million from any given team. Which means Isiah will sign him for 85 million, 6 years.

So D Lee is a 10 mil per year player, really? and Artest is making 6 per...
Best guy to compare him to and Lee isn't as good is Haslem who makes 6 mil per...

But you guys may know better than me...







[Edited by - holfresh on 02-06-2008 6:59 PM]
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2/6/2008  7:04 PM

Boozer makes 11.5 per....D West makes 10 per...I'll replace Lee with Millsap who is better in my humble opinion at a quarter of the price....
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2/6/2008  10:09 PM
I totally agree that Lee is about a 6 million dollar player but when you have guys on your team like richardson, Jeffires, Jerome, making around 30-40 then Lee will get over 40. Holfresh I am agreeing with you anything you pay Nate or Lee doubles. You trade them for young players or picks and you try and build from the draft the next three years until everyone comes off the books.
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2/6/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by King1:

You trade them for young players or picks and you try and build from the draft the next three years until everyone comes off the books.

That is the sensible choice. The scary thing is that with us still owing our first round pick in 2010 it serves as further disincentive for Dolan to go this route. IOW, not only did Isiah blow our "rebuild" he's made it all the more improbable that A) his replacement will be allowed to, or, B) be successful if he does.
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2/6/2008  10:25 PM
Blue if you trade Lee, Nate and Balkman you can get 1st round picks. We cant have a trade mistake or a draft mistake for the next three years to be competitive we have to get rid of Curry, Zach, quentin, Jared, and Jerome just to clear salary and get better players
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2/6/2008  10:52 PM
Agreed king, and the sooner we get this going the better. Those guys could net us picks, but not picks as high as our own. We need to make great use of the draft this season and the next. While Isiah has done well in the draft, hitting doubles with each of his choices, we need some homeruns if we're to get out of this mess.
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2/6/2008  10:56 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Agreed king, and the sooner we get this going the better. Those guys could net us picks, but not picks as high as our own. We need to make great use of the draft this season and the next. While Isiah has done well in the draft, hitting doubles with each of his choices, we need some homeruns if we're to get out of this mess.

Would you trade David Lee to the Jazz for our pick back? I remember Supremecommander suggested that a little while ago and I didn't agree with it, but now I'm starting to think it may be a good idea.
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2/6/2008  10:58 PM
I agree and you could trade Lee tomorrow for a top 15 pick easy or a very good player with a sensible contract. I say you take Eric Gordon and if you have the top pick trade down to get him and garner more pics. in 2009 draft a BJ mullens or a Farouq kid from Wake Forest and then by 2010 you can start signing free agents when guys come off the books.
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2/6/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by King1:

I agree and you could trade Lee tomorrow for a top 15 pick easy or a very good player with a sensible contract. I say you take Eric Gordon and if you have the top pick trade down to get him and garner more pics. in 2009 draft a BJ mullens or a Farouq kid from Wake Forest and then by 2010 you can start signing free agents when guys come off the books.


Would you trade Lee to dump major salary while getting a Low First Rounder?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-06-2008 10:01 PM]
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2/6/2008  11:23 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Agreed king, and the sooner we get this going the better. Those guys could net us picks, but not picks as high as our own. We need to make great use of the draft this season and the next. While Isiah has done well in the draft, hitting doubles with each of his choices, we need some homeruns if we're to get out of this mess.

Would you trade David Lee to the Jazz for our pick back? I remember Supremecommander suggested that a little while ago and I didn't agree with it, but now I'm starting to think it may be a good idea.


Lee and Balkman are my only keepers, but I'm not attached to them. I think they're out of the "potential" phase to the extent that their value may start going down as they start approaching veteran salaries and one loses hope of them adding considerably to their game.

I just don't see us having a future now with our B, C, and D grade players, so I think it's time do what bottomed out teams need to do and that is better their odds of obtaining franchise caliber talent. If it means trading Lee and Balkman for a chance at that I'd do it, because I see no hope otherwise.

So yes, I'd do it as part of a real rebuild plan, but not if we're gonna keep churning the stew and then trade the pick for another also-ran.
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2/6/2008  11:38 PM
You can get a 10-15 pick in the draft. Any team is going to jump at a double-double guy than risk what a college kid is going to do. You either do that or trade him with Jamal for a shorter contract
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2/6/2008  11:51 PM
Posted by King1:

You can get a 10-15 pick in the draft. Any team is going to jump at a double-double guy than risk what a college kid is going to do. You either do that or trade him with Jamal for a shorter contract

I agree, but don't you agree that the time to do it is now? Unless they can add new elements to their game their value will drop as their salaries go up.
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2/6/2008  11:56 PM
I agree but some teams also see that in David case he has learned this league on his own. No coaching, no leadership, no hard workers he can work with in the summer. He has stayed in NYC and worked out most of the summer by himself and I dont think that makes you better. Yes you clean house right now or this summer before the draft.
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