Posted by King1:

Bitty it isnt about Z-Bo talent. Last night we competed with three of our high paid players out. It is about playing as a team and that is why we are stuck with Zach for the next three years. A new gm make just outright cut him from the team.

the point is to dump that heinous contract of his... we've gone through this many times already & you still don't want to hear that as a legitimate reason... there's no one in the game that's better than Zach that you can realistically get for him in a trade who carries a worse contract because no team in the league w/that type of player will want to trade him to use in order to get Zach, so that's a moot point that's not even worth discussing... the only beneficial trade we can make right now is to get back whatever we can get w/a shorter term contract than his & move on... if we can somehow land a pick in the process, it's a bonus.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by King1:

Bitty it isnt about Z-Bo talent. Last night we competed with three of our high paid players out. It is about playing as a team and that is why we are stuck with Zach for the next three years. A new gm make just outright cut him from the team.

They're gonna have to if they want to establish a culture of team first, winning players. I think all of these guys will have to be waived/bought out:
Marbury (or they'll wait for his contract to expire)
Zach
Eddy
Jerome
Q-Rich
Jared

None are worth using a roster spot on and you won't get anything decent for any of them in a trade.

^This is why I thank God everyday that someone of you aren't NBA GMs b/c you make Isiah's horrible management style look like walk in the park. I hate Isiah but Knick fans should stay right where they are which is in front of the TV screen or in their seat but NOT ANYWHERE near an NBA front office.

When you're stealing rbs from your teammates to pad your stats, it's easy to get a lot of rbs. Zach's fat. Zach's lazy on and off the court. He puts so much energy into padding his rb stats that he has no energy to play defense.

Were you just introduced to the game of basketball last month or something or is your hate of Zach that strong that you can't bare to give even the slightest credit. Wow stealing rebounds that is truly one I have never heard before. Most basketball coaches will tell you that they want their players going after the ball aggressively and I have never heard one say "stop stealing your teammates rebounds" LMAO. Balkman, Lee, and Randolph were all out working Portland's front line on the boards for most of the game or wait we're they just stealing their rebounds?

[Edited by - bitty41 on 02-02-2008 8:05 PM]

[Edited by - bitty41 on 02-02-2008 8:05 PM]

Posted by bitty41:

the point is to dump that heinous contract of his... we've gone through this many times already & you still don't want to hear that as a legitimate reason... there's no one in the game that's better than Zach that you can realistically get for him in a trade who carries a worse contract because no team in the league w/that type of player will want to trade him to use in order to get Zach, so that's a moot point that's not even worth discussing... the only beneficial trade we can make right now is to get back whatever we can get w/a shorter term contract than his & move on... if we can somehow land a pick in the process, it's a bonus.

TMS

You and I will never see eye to eye when it comes to managing an NBA team. Your the one extreme and I'm the other extreme. For you its all about dollars and cents all the basketball stuff is secondary when talking about acquiring a player or getting rid of player.

Me on the other hand at the end of the day its about the game pure and simple. The entire point of drafting, signing free-agents, trading is for the sole purpose of acquiring players who can give you advantages on the court. Whether a guy brings shot-blocking, rebouding, assists, outside shooting, low post scoring, etc all of this wheeling and dealing is made to bring in guys that have these abilities.

You probably look at teams like Memphis, Minny, and say wow what great moves their GMs made b/c they trimmed off their cap and in 3 years they could be really great with all their young talent developed. I think its stupidity. Your just throwing a season most likely seasons away all in the aid of what? In hopes that there is the next Tim Duncan is out there or Shaq like talent (which more then likely isn't). Your wasting some very talented players by basically sending them out there with a bunch of scabs. Sorry but I don't think sending Al Jefferson or Rudy Gay on the floor with a bunch of half baked talent that happens to be making a million dollars is beneficial. They're throwing away even more money then they ever could on Z-Bo like contract b/c every single salary that they pay for during these "lost seasons" are goes4 down the trash hole. Its like making bunch of cars without an engine. You spend all that money making the cars but they're not operational so you just wasted all that time, effort, and money.

Now I don't have a problem with what Phoenix did when they unloaded Marbury b/c they had an immediate plan they felt like they had the right complimentary players but just needed to replace Marbury with a creating point guard. Okay no problem there b/c thats a plan but this other crap is not a plan IMO.


You know what kills me about you its like there is no room for any other thought then to trade him. You don't care that he's our arguably best or at that very least 2nd best player. You don't care that there is probably not another guy on the market who can do what he does. You don't care that under the right coach he could potentially improve with his shot selection and defense. Because at the end of the day all you care about is the length of a player's contract and how much money he's being paid. I know ideally many of you would want to see a team amassed of rookie contracts with a Lebron James thrown in but that just is not a realitic formula.

this is what kills me about you bitty... you have no idea whatsoever what i've stood for over the years even though we've posted together for quite some time... having my opinions misrepresented is not appreciated, i'd ask that you not generalize when you really don't know what you're talking about.

yes, it's true i don't like Zach's contract on our books, but i've also stated in the past that the way to make sense of the Zach trade in my mind is to now unload Curry & bring in a defensive minded C who can block some shots..

i've also been in favor of trading for Ron Artest even at the cost of giving up Eddy Curry, who many here have labelled me as being a fan of just because i choose not to indulge in over the top hyperbole when criticizing his game...

i've also been in favor of bringing guys in w/longterm contracts who i felt could have a beneficial impact on the team's overall balance.

Zach did not fit under that standard, which is why i was opposed to him coming here... but as usual you completely missed the point & chose to harp on the fact that i was just hating on Zach for no good reason.

i've also stated several times in the past that i did recognize Zach as being 1 our best players talent-wise, but what's more important to me is that he didn't address any of our needs & the team has not improved at all since he's been here...

why pay out a max contract on a guy like Zach when we already had a guy on our roster who could grab those 10 boards a game & give you production on the offense off pure effort alone on a nightly basis? why trade for a low post player when u already had one in Curry that you supposedly wanted to build around after last season? the fact that Isiah continues to make nonsensical moves like this with zero plan or direction is what irks me about the Zach trade... i don't have any personal dislike for the guy.

you also said i don't care that under the right coach Zach could potentially improve with his shot selection and defense, another lie... when i see him improving on his shot selection & defense i will definitely acknowledge it, same as i've done w/guys like Jamal, Nate & Marbury in recent years.

Posted by bitty41:

if bitty was Knicks GM our team would consist of

C - Troy Murphy
PF - Zach Randolph
SF - Rashard Lewis
SG - Darius Miles
PG - Stephon Marbury

Yea your totally right I've always dreamed of watching Darius and Q reunite and bringing home the Jersey boy Troy Murphy. You know I've always been a huge supporter of Marbury (please Marbury if your reading this come back). Rashard hell I think he's underpaid if I were Otis Smith the first 200 million dollar contract would have happened.