Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BRIGGS:
dude you are an emotional spaz. we have a little something here we just need to add and subtract some but NOT crawford for inferior players! IT is like a CEO who has stayed to long in the position without the desired results--isiah is THE subtraction. Let the new people figure out the rest. I think what I would do is ADD to nate and jamal get another wing and guard who can play so that they dont need to take 40+ shots. randolph and lee are fine balkman when given time has been good. We just don't have enough and that is why we have lost the last 4--better play but the guys tire out and make mistakes. They have to get Curry back in premium shape and get him playing good off the bench to get different value for him. Jamal is a player who is coming into his veteran prime---you dont want to get rid of him unless you are starting from base 1 with 5 21 year olds.
Any trade I suggest BRIGGS is a Memphis Gizzlies type trade. It's to clear cap and possibly pick up a young prospect in the process. Petro is still a young center in this league who could provide shot blocking for us, you know something we desperately need. Delonte is an audition piece at the point position, let's see what a player like him can do. Delonte and Petro are both former Top 15 1rst round draft picks. Petro is 22yrs of age and Delonte is 24 still young players. Wilkins is a very cheap wing defender. The Orlando trade we get a first round draft pick and save $27mil in salary.
The only way we improve our situation is through trades and the pieces we'd rather give up have very little value, therefore you won't be able to put the correct pieces around the others you want to keep. You suggested earlier in the yr to possibly rebuild around Curry again, Come on Man!
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-02-2008 01:48 AM]
I agree with briggs here. Petro is not good enough to solve the defensive problems in seattly, why do you think it will be different here? and I like petro.. Delonte is just not a PG, boston tried it and found out quick, he is a nice player but not an answer for us. wilkens I like, I wound not mind adding him, but what would that cost us? who knows.... But I would not give jamal away for basically nothing..
No way. I'm totally with TrueBlue on this one. It's not about Petro or Delonte West (a guy I thought BRIGGS loved a few weeks ago, but anyway...) or any other minor piece coming here and saving the day. It's not about getting all-stars or lottery picks back for guys like Crawford or Eddy Curry. That's not happening. It's about getting someone other than Isiah in here who's gonna survey the situation, come to grips with the fact that this whole thing needs to be re-vamped and then show the balls (and the smarts) to start breaking it all down and start over. We're at the point where, in the wake of yesterday's Laker trade (look what Memphis got for Gasol, who's a much better player than Crawford or Curry) - you take what you can get for guys like Crawford and Curry, etc.... and you move on for the good of the team. I'm not saying don't shop it around and do the best you can, but in the end of the day, these are two of the most overrated athletes to ever play in NY in THE HISTORY OF SPORTS. They are both high-salary, low %, low IQ, extremely flawed basketball players. And PLEASE, don't start arguing Eddy's 60% shooting % as rebuttal again ok. That arguement is about as flawed as both of these guys' games... How 'bout Eddy's FT %, his rebounding/shotblocking %s per game and per 48 mins., his offensive fouls and turnover rate/game and 48 mins., his inability to pass the ball, his inability to run the floor, his refusal to get himself in proper shape... I can go on and on. Ahhh, what's the use. Both of these guys just suck, plain and simple. Chicago knew it, and much earlier than anyone else - they broke up Crawford, Curry and Chandler a few years ago now, when all three, Crawford and Curry especially, were said to have all the promise in the world. Funny how Tyson Chandler turned out to be the best pro. LOL! The Bulls rebuilt, saw the signs that it wasn't right and had the courage to rebuild again to try and do it even better and get it right. I gotta give them a lot of credit for that.
Anyway, the two trade scenarios TrueBlue gave above are more or less what we could expect regarding the type of package we could net in a trade for a guy like Crawford when we finally get someone in here that shows the necessarry savy to start moving in a different direction. Anyone that expects anything more coming back in a trade than that is dreaming. As is anyone who wants to keep them here in the hopes that they'll someday become the players Isiah originally thought they would be. That's an even bigger pipe dream. As it stands, I like the Orlando deal a little better because of the pick, but the Seattle deal could be nice too if they kicked in their lower 1st rounder.
(1) Crawford/Randolph Morris to Seattle for Delonte West, Johan Petro, Wilkins, and the low first rounder (orginally the Suns' pick) that we turn into Josh Shipp of UCLA - a smooth SG with size, a decent handle and a great shooting stroke. I'd try and keep Morris out of this if I could, they could keep Petro. If we could do this for the pick instead of Wilkins I'd do that too, but we're on the right track here.
(2) Curry goes anywhere where we could get a package similar to what Memphis got for Gasol - expiring contracts, a couple mid to low 1st rounders.
(3) Lee/Balkman to the Blazers for Sergio Rodriguez and Martell Webster. You can tell by the way McMillian handles both players that they are not part of the immediate plan there and they have more than enough young talent at those positions - so you have to question if they're even part of the future. We saw it last night. Bottom line is with 40 minutes a piece, Rodriguez is in the top 3 in the league in assists and Webster, with 20 shots a night as a first or second option, averages 20 pointsa game easily. These could be our future PG and SF for years to come and to me that's worth dealing Lee (who made a nice impression on Portland last night, you figure).
2/2/2008 7:07 AM
