That's total bull****.

[sarc] I'm shocked you disagree. [/sarc]

Your pail was filling up with water until you poked several holes in it towards the base when you started talking about the fans.

[sarc] Hmm... you too? This is startling. [/sarc]

when the team comes out, mails it in for half a season and underperforms for the third straight year in front of 19,000 fans earning top dollar they are supposed to cheer? Isiah seems to have the green light to lose for the next 70 years. As long as he puts out a team that gives a half asse effort we are supposed to shut up and be happy. this is so sad. right now the Knicks are 10-15 at home and 4-17 on the road. It ain't the fans. It's that they aren't any good.

Alright, I hear you. I think the fans need to step up and give the players a boost. You think the Knicks need to get it together and give the fans a reason to cheer. I tend to agree these players are mailing it in. But how long after a change is made before the fans start booing again? The Knicks stunk when Isiah arrived and they stink now. They've changed GMs. It didn't work. They've changed coaches. It didn't work. They've changed players. It didn't work. I am not saying you don't have a right to be critical. There are so many reasons to be critical. I am just saying that booing your team during a game is the biggest insult you can give to a player. Its not a very receptive work environment. Its comparable to the way Americans treat the Iraq war...you can hate the war, but you ought to support the troops. This isn't nearly as serious as that, I mean, there aren't any lives as stake. But if you can't even support the team, what else is there?

Posted by EwingsGlass:

That's total bull****.

[sarc] I'm shocked you disagree. [/sarc]

Your pail was filling up with water until you poked several holes in it towards the base when you started talking about the fans.

[sarc] Hmm... you too? This is startling. [/sarc]

when the team comes out, mails it in for half a season and underperforms for the third straight year in front of 19,000 fans earning top dollar they are supposed to cheer? Isiah seems to have the green light to lose for the next 70 years. As long as he puts out a team that gives a half asse effort we are supposed to shut up and be happy. this is so sad. right now the Knicks are 10-15 at home and 4-17 on the road. It ain't the fans. It's that they aren't any good.

Alright, I hear you. I think the fans need to step up and give the players a boost. You think the Knicks need to get it together and give the fans a reason to cheer. I tend to agree these players are mailing it in. But how long after a change is made before the fans start booing again? The Knicks stunk when Isiah arrived and they stink now. They've changed GMs. It didn't work. They've changed coaches. It didn't work. They've changed players. It didn't work. I am not saying you don't have a right to be critical. There are so many reasons to be critical. I am just saying that booing your team during a game is the biggest insult you can give to a player. Its not a very receptive work environment. Its comparable to the way Americans treat the Iraq war...you can hate the war, but you ought to support the troops. This isn't nearly as serious as that, I mean, there aren't any lives as stake. But if you can't even support the team, what else is there?

So why are the Knicks so pitiful on the road?

This is some stupid **** you're spouting.

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

That's total bull****.

[sarc] I'm shocked you disagree. [/sarc]

Your pail was filling up with water until you poked several holes in it towards the base when you started talking about the fans.

[sarc] Hmm... you too? This is startling. [/sarc]

when the team comes out, mails it in for half a season and underperforms for the third straight year in front of 19,000 fans earning top dollar they are supposed to cheer? Isiah seems to have the green light to lose for the next 70 years. As long as he puts out a team that gives a half asse effort we are supposed to shut up and be happy. this is so sad. right now the Knicks are 10-15 at home and 4-17 on the road. It ain't the fans. It's that they aren't any good.

Alright, I hear you. I think the fans need to step up and give the players a boost. You think the Knicks need to get it together and give the fans a reason to cheer. I tend to agree these players are mailing it in. But how long after a change is made before the fans start booing again? The Knicks stunk when Isiah arrived and they stink now. They've changed GMs. It didn't work. They've changed coaches. It didn't work. They've changed players. It didn't work. I am not saying you don't have a right to be critical. There are so many reasons to be critical. I am just saying that booing your team during a game is the biggest insult you can give to a player. Its not a very receptive work environment. Its comparable to the way Americans treat the Iraq war...you can hate the war, but you ought to support the troops. This isn't nearly as serious as that, I mean, there aren't any lives as stake. But if you can't even support the team, what else is there?

So why are the Knicks so pitiful on the road?

This is some stupid **** you're spouting.

Why does this just have to be about the Knicks' lousy efforts at home where they're so "uncomfortable" due to the fans who earn trips to the Garden, but still get discredited by others who are naive of Isiah's actions.

You wanna talk the Knicks on the road ? Wasn't there a disgruntled Knick fan at TD Bankmorth Garden who blatantly threw his Knick jersey onto the stands with such pride ? Oh, right.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 01-31-2008 10:02 PM]

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 01-31-2008 10:08 PM]

Yeah, that single fan only threw his jersey onto the court after the Knicks got down by 50 points. Shame on him.

Posted by EwingsGlass:



Alright, I hear you. I think the fans need to step up and give the players a boost. You think the Knicks need to get it together and give the fans a reason to cheer. I tend to agree these players are mailing it in. But how long after a change is made before the fans start booing again? The Knicks stunk when Isiah arrived and they stink now. They've changed GMs. It didn't work. They've changed coaches. It didn't work. They've changed players. It didn't work. I am not saying you don't have a right to be critical. There are so many reasons to be critical. I am just saying that booing your team during a game is the biggest insult you can give to a player. Its not a very receptive work environment. Its comparable to the way Americans treat the Iraq war...you can hate the war, but you ought to support the troops. This isn't nearly as serious as that, I mean, there aren't any lives as stake. But if you can't even support the team, what else is there?

Well, you're living in a fantasy world if you think the fans in msg are going to stop booing entirely under any circumstances. That wouldn't happen even if a good GM is hired (which, btw, hasn't happened yet). There will always be times when the fans boo. Patrick Ewing was booed, even Lebron James was booed at certain times in Cleveland this year (and last year). That's just how it is.

The reason the booing is worse than usual this season is, probably, because the Knicks have failed to meet expectation for the fourth consecutive year and ownership responded by saying that they're going to stay the course. Of course they're going to be frustrated.

Also I disagree with booing being such a big insult to a player. Most of the time the players deserve it. When Eddy Curry comes in the came and CLEARLY plays like he doesn't really care, imo in situations like that, he (or whoever it might be on the Knicks doing that) deserves to be booed. From my understanding it isn't the fan's responsibility to try to revitalize the team by supporting them when they don't deserve it. It's the team's responsibility to give the fans something to cheer for. Of course, the fans should support the team when they deserve it, which the Fans at MSG almost always do (there were always chants of "lets go Knicks," and "defense" in the games the Knicks actually showed up). That's always how it works in sports. Frankly, I don't see why it should change.

Sorry, but comparing booing millionaire pro basketball players to not supporting US troops who are risking their lives fighting a war overseas is completely ridiculous.

I agree. I think I prefaced that. I am not drawing on the severity of the situation, I am drawing on the concept of support.

Posted by EwingsGlass:

That's total bull****.

[sarc] I'm shocked you disagree. [/sarc]

Your pail was filling up with water until you poked several holes in it towards the base when you started talking about the fans.

[sarc] Hmm... you too? This is startling. [/sarc]

when the team comes out, mails it in for half a season and underperforms for the third straight year in front of 19,000 fans earning top dollar they are supposed to cheer? Isiah seems to have the green light to lose for the next 70 years. As long as he puts out a team that gives a half asse effort we are supposed to shut up and be happy. this is so sad. right now the Knicks are 10-15 at home and 4-17 on the road. It ain't the fans. It's that they aren't any good.

Alright, I hear you. I think the fans need to step up and give the players a boost. You think the Knicks need to get it together and give the fans a reason to cheer. I tend to agree these players are mailing it in. But how long after a change is made before the fans start booing again? The Knicks stunk when Isiah arrived and they stink now. They've changed GMs. It didn't work. They've changed coaches. It didn't work. They've changed players. It didn't work. I am not saying you don't have a right to be critical. There are so many reasons to be critical. I am just saying that booing your team during a game is the biggest insult you can give to a player. Its not a very receptive work environment. Its comparable to the way Americans treat the Iraq war...you can hate the war, but you ought to support the troops. This isn't nearly as serious as that, I mean, there aren't any lives as stake. But if you can't even support the team, what else is there?

NY is not like other sports towns... you should know this. The best position player in baseball got booed here on a day in and day out basis and he actually played hard.

People in this town work too hard and have too many better things to do then motivate people that cant motivate themselves, especially when they are earning lucrative amounts of money to do just that.

And every athlete from Arod to Eli to Namath to Ewing to Messier will tell you the same thing... that this is the toughest place to play and the best place to play. If you dont have the stomach for it dont come here

Fish hits the nail on the head. IF you can't handle the booing don't sign the fat contract here, play in Utah.

Man, you think booing is bad in NY. Try playing in front of 5,000 people in a band box in a foreign country. Losing by 1 on a last second shot and having your home fans showering the court with drinks, coins, batteries etc. And that's when the team was in first place. But somehow under those circumstances US players find a way to play their butts off. Why? because they want to get out of there. They want to be noticed and get back to the states. The fans have no effect on the effort level whatsoever.

But magically in NY it's different. These players are all in similar circumstances. They all have fancy moves, or are big behemoths and were able to dominate on the highschool and college levels. They were considered gods. Now they are in the NBA with the fat contracts and have not earned any of it yet. None of them have won anything. Yet they still expect the applause, but don't want to give anything to deserve it. This isn't highschool or college anymore. These aren't kids fighting for school colors. These are men. Pro athletes being paid millions to perform. Their salaries are paid by the very fans showing up to the games. The fans don't owe them anything. THEY OWE IT TO THE FANS TO EARN THE APPLAUSE.

I expect that when you get out of highschool/college or stop your cheerleading gig you will view things differently. This is my team. These players play for me. My Knicks have a legacy that I demand all new players live up to. IF they choose not to, I will not cheer them. I want them replaced. I will not cheer someone that sullies my teams name. END OF STORY!!!

[Edited by - bippity10 on 01-02-2008 08:50 AM]

Booing is better than apathy. They need to understand that. Hometown booing in NYC is actually a form of fans letting you know they care.

Posted by VDesai:

Booing is better than apathy. They need to understand that. Hometown booing in NYC is actually a form of fans letting you know they care.

It's the coach. Its the fans.

In Europe they whistle(boo) everything. IF you miss two shots in a row, here come the whistles. AFter a while you just learn that's the way they express themselves. YOu don't take it personally until it stops. Because when it stops that means they are searching in their pockets for something to throw. You just suck it up and play. Like I said, US players in Europe never have their effort level go down. Why? Because they have one motivation. Getting back to the states. They aren't worried about external issues. They are worried about what they need to do on the court to catch the eye of a scout or coach. But our players don't have that internal motivation at this point. Right now every thing is focused on the external. What is the coach doing, what are the fans doing, what is Marbs doing. Only about half of them are regularly focused upon what is happening on the floor. We keep worrying about the fans and this is why we keep losing. We are not focusing on what we need to do to get better. WE are more worried about the excuses.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by VDesai:

Booing is better than apathy. They need to understand that. Hometown booing in NYC is actually a form of fans letting you know they care.

It's the coach. Its the fans.

In Europe they whistle(boo) everything. IF you miss two shots in a row, here come the whistles. AFter a while you just learn that's the way they express themselves. YOu don't take it personally until it stops. Because when it stops that means they are searching in their pockets for something to throw. You just suck it up and play. Like I said, US players in Europe never have their effort level go down. Why? Because they have one motivation. Getting back to the states. They aren't worried about external issues. They are worried about what they need to do on the court to catch the eye of a scout or coach. But our players don't have that internal motivation at this point. Right now every thing is focused on the external. What is the coach doing, what are the fans doing, what is Marbs doing. Only about half of them are regularly focused upon what is happening on the floor. We keep worrying about the fans and this is why we keep losing. We are not focusing on what we need to do to get better. WE are more worried about the excuses.

Like I said, we need a "Battery Night" at the garden. Each attending fan shall receive one free battery.

Posted by EwingsGlass:

If you dont have the stomach for it dont come here

I guess that's right. So how many extra dollars does it take to convince a player to come to NY, then?

Ask Isiah, he's been pretty consistent with his overspending.