Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

He's proving that he's a JERK at heart.

This guy is not a team player.. zach plays for zach it seems...

This was why I chose to bring him up as an example in our discussion the other day. He had Scumbag signs almost from day one being here. There's also different levels of them too. Curry, Zach, Steph are all Scumbags at heart.

This is where I have a problem whatever I may think about Marbs, Curry, or any of these guys for that matter but its not necessary and adds nothing to your criticism of a player to make it personal. All these guys maybe great fathers, friends, sons, etc off the court but your not any position to make that kind of character judgement especially when your singing guys like Stephen Jackson praise.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Bippity10:

That's the point. Zach hasn't earned the right to be talking about how the coach is doing things. Marbs did the same thing. He would come out, argue with the coach, not play D, not get others involved, blame his teammates and then try to criticize the coach. It doesn't work. Isiah needs to target guys that are actually doing today, what he is hoping guys like Zach and Curry will somehow learn how to do.

He was asked a question people act as though he called a press conference to denounce Isiah. A reporter asked him probably what he thought about Isiah's game plan he responded should he have lied and said yea coach made a good decisions playing GS's tempo?

Sometimes we all have habits of going over the top including myself but I think you're off base here. Zach so far has been more critical of everyone but/something other than himself. Even Curry admitted he hasn't played well this yr but not Zach. He's absolving himself and your drinking the Fool-Aid he's making. I think everyone agrees Zach is probably our best if not second best player on the team but he's contributed greatly to our failures and he needs to recognize and own up to it.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

He's proving that he's a JERK at heart.

This guy is not a team player.. zach plays for zach it seems...

This was why I chose to bring him up as an example in our discussion the other day. He had Scumbag signs almost from day one being here. There's also different levels of them too. Curry, Zach, Steph are all Scumbags at heart.

This is where I have a problem whatever I may think about Marbs, Curry, or any of these guys for that matter but its not necessary and adds nothing to your criticism of a player to make it personal. All these guys maybe great fathers, friends, sons, etc off the court but your not any position to make that kind of character judgement especially when your singing guys like Stephen Jackson praise.

Scumbag players, not necessarily human beings. How would it apply when I don't even know them personally? But taking millions of dollars from an employer and wasting it away by eating yourself into obesity, quitting on your team 5gms into the season and playing selfish basketball is Scumbaggish. And excuse me but Steph and Zach have some very questionable off the court behavior that supports the commentary.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-30-2008 11:21 AM]

Posted by bitty41:

I'm confused because how does:

"Nah, that ain't the right way. The right way - how I know, coaches I had in the NBA and in college - they tell me we don't care how we match up, they gotta match up to us. That's what I learned playing in the NBA and college."

I get that he's NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER suppose to say anything remotely negative about the coach or his teammates to the press but does that statement really warrant.

He's proving that he's a JERK at heart.

The problem I have is with Zach constantly opening his mouth.

be interested in seeing all those quotes where Zach is constantly opening his mouth

This guy is not a team player.. zach plays for zach it seems

right as oppossed to the rest of our roster that plays unselfishly and to win

Isiah brings in guys that can't speak and can't play, the pr department must be thrilled.

Wow Zach can't play and is apparently illiterate thanks good to know.

Alternatively put, Isiah plays not to lose rather than to win. We all know (especially football fans...

I agree Isiah's problems as a coach are two-fold. When it comes to player match-ups substitutions etc. his sub patterns are still atrocious and he's been known to kill momentum with his subs. In game coaching like some have mentioned he coaches not to lose he allows other teams to set the tones and control the tempo. He has no clue how to use time-outs when its end of the game plays unless its a Jamal chuck he has no other way of designing plays which is very scary considering he's an HOF point guard.

It is not surprising that people with no skills are given executive jobs.
Happened all the time in all businesses.
And the ultimate price for this - the corporate\organization failure.
People not accountable for anything will never make anybody accountable.
But hey... they all have nice time together... and the live is short.

Posted by bitty41:

Lee, balkman, crawford, jeffries and even Q, all play unselfishly and all play for their team. Nate is on the bubble for me. that selfish act of trying to go at the ref after balkman was trying to stop him and then going at it with balkman took the momentum away from the knicks.. that was just plain stupid....

Lee, Balkman, and Jefferies I will definetly give you that they don't jack up shots all over the place and do a generally good job of playing within their game on the offensive end though Q just sucks. BUT JAMAL CRAWFORD PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT ONE TO ME a guy whose shot over 42% once in his ENTIRE CAREER and is currently holding strong right now with a 41% in 2pt field goals and 34% at 3pt range HAHAHAHAHA oooooookay.

Scumbag players not necessarily human beings. How would it apply when I don't even know them personally. But taking millions of dollars from an employer and wasting it away by eating yourself into obesity, quitting on your team 5gms into the season and playing selfish basketball is scumbaggish. And excuse me but Steph and Zach have some very questionable off the court behavior that supports the commentary

Again you do not know any of these players personally and just because you hate the way they play does not constitute them being scum bags.

how does that statement prove jamal a selfish player? what makes him selfish? the fact that he shoots 41%? come on man..


[Edited by - tkf on 30-01-2008 12:38 PM]

Zach is a perennial loser and shouldnt say anything about the coaching. It is called being politically correct. Keep you're mouth shut, play and if you win then you can be more credible. I am tired of listening to Zach and Eddy cry when they lose playing time.

how does that statement prove jamal a selfish player? what makes him selfish? the fact that he shoots 41%? come on man..

Yea of course the 41% alone isn't a indictable offense but if you took the leap and looked at the rest he's averaging around 7-17 for the season. Now I wouldn't have a problem with the 17 shots a game if his assist we're higher maybe 6 or more but you think Jamal is playing unselfishly while putting up that number of shots; even though he has seen season after season where this type of shot selection hasn't led to one single playoff game in his career. We are going to have to agree to disagree if you believe Jamal is an unselfish player.

You're having a play on words here bitty41. Another definition of Scumbag is ....DISREPUTABLE and that is defined as A Person LACKING RESPECTABILITY. Another is CONTEMPTIBLE which can be defined as DESERVING OF REJECTION. Sorry as a fan I don't RESPECT Zach, Curry, or Steph as basketball players and would REJECT them wearing a Knick uniform another game. I'm sure they are more than likely better human beings.

You spend too much time thinking about this it is not that serious b/c it really wasn't necessary to explain the different definetions of scumbag. And your protestions to the contrary about you not making it personal really haven't disabused my notion that you take the Knicks to heart when you shouldn't b/c this stuff doesn't affect your life in any way other then making you pissed that your favorite team sucks. IMO

Does Isiah put any thought into his moves? Does he have any conviction in them when he makes them?

All we heard was how opposing teams would have to adjust to the Knicks big frontcourt and how nobody had 2 big players like that, at least offensively. But Isiah has constantly adjusted his lineup to match up with teams instead of the other way around.

It all goes back to Zach and Curry being so bad defensively. Something that everybody knew before Isiah brought them here. It's yet another example of Isiah not having a plan. Now it looks like he's ready to try something else despite being stuck with Zach and Curry.

This thread isn't about Jamal but seriously can someone explain to me how he is not selfish when he's only playing one-side of the floor, he puts up the most shots on the team (despite playing point guard), and has a pretty low assist total for a point guard with his minutes and touches on the ball.

Zach will be happy only if he becomes player/coach and has perfect teammates. He's a PF version of Starbury (except with a history of more legal problems)