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1/27/2008  5:53 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Marv - All I suggested was that the slow starts have become less a problem with Jamal handling the pill.

What does that hafta do with turning over the entire roster and front office?

there's no problem with people wanting to dissect a single game or several-game trend. but there's also no problem with people wanting to view a 7-game trend in the context of a 4.5 year trend.
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1/27/2008  6:11 PM
Marv - as a student of this franchise you know the problems started more than 4.5 years ago.

If you really think a discussion Knicks recent history is more tangential than Jamal's ball handling in the first quarter, would you agree that a Gulf+Western thread is more appropriate?
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1/27/2008  7:17 PM
you could have a gulf & western thread but you could also have an isah thread. he was given an enormous pocketbook to play with and decided on trading 4 1st-round picks to give us a core of marbury, crawford, curry and randolph. it didn't have to turn out that way. it was his decision and if it had worked out it would have been his glory. since it worked out the way it did, it's his responsibility and he shouldn't be around here now to potentially sink us deeper with these kinds of deals.
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1/27/2008  9:11 PM
Posted by Marv:

you could have a gulf & western thread but you could also have an isah thread. he was given an enormous pocketbook to play with and decided on trading 4 1st-round picks to give us a core of marbury, crawford, curry and randolph. it didn't have to turn out that way. it was his decision and if it had worked out it would have been his glory. since it worked out the way it did, it's his responsibility and he shouldn't be around here now to potentially sink us deeper with these kinds of deals.

Of course it could be another Fire Isiah Thomas thread.

But it ain't. The Fire Isiah Thread is down the hall on the left.

The thread IS about the notorious slow starts in the first quarter of basketball games and how Jamal Crawford has affected chaging that. The Fire Isiah Thread is down the hall on the left.

Then again, if every single thread is a Fire Isiah thread there is no need to have any individual or original threads, now is there?

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1/27/2008  9:27 PM
with that said,

secondarily, i would submit that one player who has benefitted from Jamal providing "a look" is Quentin Richardson, who is suddenly not a walking brick.
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1/27/2008  9:32 PM
Posted by misterearl:


Kill My Landlord. Kill All original thinking. One thread. One thought. If you don't conform... STFU.

Everyone get in line or else!

earl, I don't think that's what people are saying. I think they're saying that they're burned out from the long list of quitting performances that the knicks have shown us over the last 4 years and they're not going to get too excited about jamal's 1st quarter performances right now.
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1/27/2008  9:45 PM
marv - nowhere did I suggest being excited about Jamal's performance. What I attempted to make a case for is watching one game at a time from a unique point of reference.

Watching Knicks basketball, one game at a time, in the present, with an eye on the game inside the game. Or is every day (or Knicks basketball game for that matter) exactly like the last day (or game) until the end of time?

If the "people" you refer to are so burned out after four years, then would you consider than an attempted adjustment of one's perspective is a good thing? A vacation, sabbatical, hiatus or something? Go outside, hug your kids, read a book, make a new friend, support a cause...

... nah, misery loves company. the more miserable the better. Fire Isiah. (rinse and repeat)

repeat.

repeat.

repeat.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-27-2008 9:47 PM]
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1/27/2008  9:53 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Fire Isiah. (rinse and repeat)

repeat.

repeat.

repeat.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-27-2008 9:47 PM]

that's kinda catchy.
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1/27/2008  9:57 PM
not so catchy as

6:09 Quentin Richarson makes 25 ft 3 point jumper. Jamal Crawford assists.
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1/27/2008  10:08 PM
besides Marv, I've always contended that Mardy Collins (still not right healthwise and lacking some confidence due to the missed time since Summer) and Jamal was/is the backcourt worth looking at. His defense, rebounding and court awareness are of value.

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1/27/2008  10:10 PM
Posted by misterearl:

besides Marv, I've always contended that Mardy Collins (still not right healthwise and lacking some confidence due to the missed time since Summer) and Jamal was/is the backcourt worth looking at. His defense, rebounding and court awareness are of value.

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1/27/2008  10:13 PM
nyk4ever - too late

I'm already gone.
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1/28/2008  2:22 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Hope is watching the Knicks one game at a time.

Marv - If you have given up hope, koo'.

I'm not into changing your opinion any more than you should be about trying to pry my precious Richie Guerin/Marcus Camby Sheik Towel from my cold, dead fingers.

[Edited by - misterearl on 01-27-2008 5:44 PM]

Where was this "one game of a time" BS for the first 35 games of the season? It's pretty convenient for you to show up only during this amazing 5 wins out of their last 8 games stretch.

And please save the "I've been a fan since the Richie Guerin days" crap. If you were, you wouldn't just show your face during the "good" moments. What a joke.
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1/28/2008  2:25 PM
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nyk4ever - too late

I'm already gone.

The Knicks must have lost last night.
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1/28/2008  2:29 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The thread IS about the notorious slow starts in the first quarter of basketball games and how Jamal Crawford has affected chaging that. The Fire Isiah Thread is down the hall on the left.

i've missed most of the last game or two. have we actually noticeably improved in first quarters?

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-28-2008 2:30 PM]
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Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by misterearl:

The thread IS about the notorious slow starts in the first quarter of basketball games and how Jamal Crawford has affected chaging that. The Fire Isiah Thread is down the hall on the left.

i've missed most of the last game or two. have we actually noticeably improved in first quarters?

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-28-2008 2:30 PM]

They sucked in the 1st Q last night.
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Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by misterearl:

The thread IS about the notorious slow starts in the first quarter of basketball games and how Jamal Crawford has affected chaging that. The Fire Isiah Thread is down the hall on the left.

i've missed most of the last game or two. have we actually noticeably improved in first quarters?

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-28-2008 2:30 PM]

I think by "improvement" he means that they aren't always down by double digits after one.

Just more of the BS low expectations that this team constantly forces down their fans throats.

A perfect example is this from Crawford after last night's game:

"It was not an embarrassing loss. We played hard and had a chance to win."

That's nice Jamal. I can see next year's marketing strategy already: "We're Not Completely Embarrasing Anymore!"
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1/30/2008  6:20 PM
TMS- "i'm not happy w/any loss, but if we're gonna lose i want to see some effort & some improvement outta our youth... so far i'm seeing it out of Jamal, D Lee & Nate, so that's at least a start."

As the Knicks recent style of play has evolved/is evolving into one which features better passing (evidence the reduced turnovers and higher rate of assists) and balanced scoring... the criteria for the center spot has also changed.

1. Randolph Morris come on down, until the draft reveals the next 6'11+ big man.

2. Wilson Chandler, come on down.

3. David Lee can play center.

I really miss Marcus Camby.
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1/30/2008  9:50 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by misterearl:

The thread IS about the notorious slow starts in the first quarter of basketball games and how Jamal Crawford has affected chaging that. The Fire Isiah Thread is down the hall on the left.

i've missed most of the last game or two. have we actually noticeably improved in first quarters?

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-28-2008 2:30 PM]

not as far as Curry is concerned... he's gotten into early foul trouble the past few games, & the team's play has noticeably improved once he's gone to the bench & D Lee is inserted.
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1/30/2008  10:18 PM
People tend to forget that in the magical year of 1999 both Spree and Camby were Pine Brothers. as they were inserted the entire tempo started to change, not out of design by Van Gundy, but by the sheer influence of the 2 new players.

Without Marbury, the Knicks tempo and trust factor has changed. Sans Curry it changes even more. Isiah's quick hook is as much a signal of dissatisfaction as it is an opportunity for Lee to assert himself.

The frontcourt of Jeffries, Lee and Zach provides the best rebounding and defense.

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