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The Hunt for the next NY Knick PG and leader of men
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SlimPack
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1/24/2008  1:24 AM
Well from what I hear DJ Augustin seems to be the best pure point guard, although I haven't seen him play. But I think Jarred Bayless can be a better point guard even though he's more of a score first point guard. Bayless seems to have more of a leadership/take over the game quality. After that I guess is darren collison who looks pretty good but I've only seen him twice. Tywon Lawson is pretty good too. Although for some weird reason I haven't seen any UNC games this year. But I do remember thinking that he was pretty good last year. (I have to watch more college games).

Man I hope we can keep our pick and get another to get a PG though. that would be pretty good.
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1/24/2008  2:14 AM
if we can't draft a star calibre PG, then i'd rather draft the best defensive shotblocking bigman i can find at our draft position.
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1/24/2008  6:53 AM
Posted by franco12:

it would be nice if isiah would play collins, morris & chandler so we could actually figure out what we have.


Isiah found out the bright lights of MSG was too much for collins = TIMID.

Collins belongs in the D-League to develop his shot and confidence.
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1/24/2008  6:56 AM
Posted by TMS:

if we can't draft a star calibre PG, then i'd rather draft the best defensive shotblocking bigman i can find at our draft position.

sam bowie over jordan?

I wouldn't mind getting a new gm who could mend fences with the league, including larry brown. because I wouldn't mind taking a gamble on dalembert - doubt he has a renaissance like camby, but a change of scenery might help.
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1/24/2008  6:59 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by franco12:

it would be nice if isiah would play collins, morris & chandler so we could actually figure out what we have.


Isiah found out the bright lights of MSG was too much for collins = TIMID.

Collins belongs in the D-League to develop his shot and confidence.

this is why we need a new gm/coach in here- because I don't believe anything he says or does. collins had a great run last year. I believe you get a fresh voice and a set of eyes, and find out whether these young guys are good.

isiah can't sit curry and start morris because of what he gave up. a new coach & gm could.
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1/24/2008  7:16 AM
The pg that's gonna be good one day is only a freshmen and will stay in school next yr the name is Johnny Flynn of Syracuse. A nystate native who grew up and gets it what it is to be a knick fan growing up.

The kid from Niagara Falls NY at 6"0 is shooting 47% as a freshmen 77 ft%
5.2 asst per gm.

Good floor leader who loves getting his teammates the ball and isn't afraid to knock down the big shot.

Still young , but the promise is there



^ Here he scores 24 pts against Georgetown

[Edited by - playa2 on 24-01-2008 08:23]
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1/24/2008  8:54 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

Well from what I hear DJ Augustin seems to be the best pure point guard, although I haven't seen him play. But I think Jarred Bayless can be a better point guard even though he's more of a score first point guard. Bayless seems to have more of a leadership/take over the game quality. After that I guess is darren collison who looks pretty good but I've only seen him twice. Tywon Lawson is pretty good too. Although for some weird reason I haven't seen any UNC games this year. But I do remember thinking that he was pretty good last year. (I have to watch more college games).

Man I hope we can keep our pick and get another to get a PG though. that would be pretty good.

My son likes DJ Augustin and from what i'm reading he seems to be more of what we're looking for in terms of running the show. He's a little smaller than I like my PG's, but he's getting it done:

"In terms of his point guard game, Augustin also looks as good as ever running his team’s offense and managing the tempo, dishing out assists every which way, whether it be feeding the post, pushing the ball in transition, drive-and-dishing, or just finding open shooters on the perimeter. He gets the tendency to hold on to the ball at times, but it’s often due to lack of movement from his teammates, while he waits for something to develop. Augustin’s looked really good in transition thus far, keeping his head up and making accurate long passes to get easy baskets for his teammates. He’s also looked very good adjusting with the ball in mid-air in the halfcourt, being able to find an open man if he gets caught in a tough position.

If Augustin can keep up his current production, he should be all but a lock for the first round in the draft this year, with the lottery definitely not out of the picture. If he can maintain his 7.0 assists per game average, he’ll out-produce what Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Deron Williams, and Mike Conley put up in their draft years, though he’ll need to bring his turnovers down a bit to be mentioned with them in A:T ratio. Augustin may not quite be on the Deron Williams or Chris Paul level as a prospect, but no one should be surprised if Augustin becomes a good starting NBA point guard not far down the road. He has a very complete game with a nice balance of scoring and passing, with the only thing really holding him back being his size, which is somewhere between 5’11 and 6’0, though his strong build somewhat compensates for that, and he wouldn’t be the first 6’0 point guard starting in the league. "

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-Augustin-1181/

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1/24/2008  9:10 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by SlimPack:

Well from what I hear DJ Augustin seems to be the best pure point guard, although I haven't seen him play. But I think Jarred Bayless can be a better point guard even though he's more of a score first point guard. Bayless seems to have more of a leadership/take over the game quality. After that I guess is darren collison who looks pretty good but I've only seen him twice. Tywon Lawson is pretty good too. Although for some weird reason I haven't seen any UNC games this year. But I do remember thinking that he was pretty good last year. (I have to watch more college games).

Man I hope we can keep our pick and get another to get a PG though. that would be pretty good.

My son likes DJ Augustin and from what i'm reading he seems to be more of what we're looking for in terms of running the show. He's a little smaller than I like my PG's, but he's getting it done:

"In terms of his point guard game, Augustin also looks as good as ever running his team’s offense and managing the tempo, dishing out assists every which way, whether it be feeding the post, pushing the ball in transition, drive-and-dishing, or just finding open shooters on the perimeter. He gets the tendency to hold on to the ball at times, but it’s often due to lack of movement from his teammates, while he waits for something to develop. Augustin’s looked really good in transition thus far, keeping his head up and making accurate long passes to get easy baskets for his teammates. He’s also looked very good adjusting with the ball in mid-air in the halfcourt, being able to find an open man if he gets caught in a tough position.

If Augustin can keep up his current production, he should be all but a lock for the first round in the draft this year, with the lottery definitely not out of the picture. If he can maintain his 7.0 assists per game average, he’ll out-produce what Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, Deron Williams, and Mike Conley put up in their draft years, though he’ll need to bring his turnovers down a bit to be mentioned with them in A:T ratio. Augustin may not quite be on the Deron Williams or Chris Paul level as a prospect, but no one should be surprised if Augustin becomes a good starting NBA point guard not far down the road. He has a very complete game with a nice balance of scoring and passing, with the only thing really holding him back being his size, which is somewhere between 5’11 and 6’0, though his strong build somewhat compensates for that, and he wouldn’t be the first 6’0 point guard starting in the league. "

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-Augustin-1181/

Nix, good guy to bring up. I do think Augistine is a sleeper in this draft, I know DraftExpress compares him to Jameer Nelso as a best case, but I see another former Longhorn when I see DJ play - TJ Ford, it's funny they are nearly the same exact height and weight too. Both love to play up and down at a very quick pace, both good in the midrange game, both not great 3pt shooters.

I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Augustine, but I think he's going to have to play in the type of offense that Phoenix and Toronto play in to be really successful in the NBA. With all that said, I'm still high on my man Derrick Rose
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1/24/2008  10:37 AM
Rose is amazing. But I would like to see what he can do when its his show and he's not sharing it wirh with Roberts, Dorsey and Dozier.

A player that intrigues me is OJ Mayo. I would like to see him stay one more year in College, but I wouldn't be mad if the Knicks look at him for the PG position.
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1/24/2008  10:48 AM
This maybe another top year for point guards.....Derrick Rose is awesome but Bayless is right there with him. Can't go wrong with either of them.....

Flynn of Syracuse is a really good player.....suprised Playa just mentioned him.

That's why Isiah might have to look at getting a second 1st rounder.......he could certainly get a one of the guya coming out. Lawson has been running UNC....that's gotta stand for something.
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1/24/2008  11:01 AM
Rose would be sweet

Augustin if we're late late lottery

Mayo is probably a very good option for us, he's been getting media attention since he was 11 so should be able to deal with the NYC media crap
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1/24/2008  11:20 AM
Posted by playa2:

The pg that's gonna be good one day is only a freshmen and will stay in school next yr the name is Johnny Flynn of Syracuse. A nystate native who grew up and gets it what it is to be a knick fan growing up.

The kid from Niagara Falls NY at 6"0 is shooting 47% as a freshmen 77 ft%
5.2 asst per gm.

Good floor leader who loves getting his teammates the ball and isn't afraid to knock down the big shot.

Still young , but the promise is there



^ Here he scores 24 pts against Georgetown

[Edited by - playa2 on 24-01-2008 08:23]

I'm not willing to roll the dice on an undersized PG. I'm sure the promise and potential is there, but at this point in the Knicks' drafting process and current team status, an NBA ready body should be a prerequisite for the position they draft for.
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1/24/2008  12:04 PM
On the point guard matter I'm wondering if that Jordan kid they had in camp from Marist is still in the mix. Will they bring him back to compete for a spot? Where is he playing at now?
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1/24/2008  2:57 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Well I wouldn't expect that they'd be exactly on Nash or Magic's level, but more in that direction. To be more to the point of the kind of guard we might be looking for it would be a Brandon Roy, Chris Paul type of guard. I don't know if any of the guards in this draft are like those 2, but that would seem to be what we'd be looking for.

Nix: I understand what you are saying and agree 100%. The question becomes what is the back up plan. If their is no PG avaialable do we acquire a vet or stick with Craw and Nate. If we stick with Craw and Nate that has to be the long-term plan and a vet still has to be brought in to mentor them. They can learn just by playing but that is going to take a loooooooooong time. Isiah needs to help speed up the process. Right now Eddie and Jamal and Nate etc are being left on an island to learn to win by themselves. IT can be done, but not often.
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1/24/2008  2:58 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

DERRICK ROSE. Freshman PG, Memphis 6'4 200 pounds.
Good shooter, great slasher, great passer, can play uptempo or half-court, plays defense, is coachable. This is our guy.

Bip, I expected you to pick up the Rose slack for me. What happened?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-23-2008 11:11 PM]

That's because he sucks
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1/24/2008  3:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I want a passing PG. Bayless reminds me more of a Tony Parker type. And, yes, I know Tony is very good, but I don't know if he'd be quite as good without Duncan.

Something tells me Eric Gordon is gonna be the next Dwyane Wade type player in the draft. I know he's not a PG, but I think we should try to just take the best player available, especially if it means getting an all-star. We need talent. (Granted, we have talent, but I want two way talent that plays hard and plays smart).

[Edited by - crzymdups on 23-01-2008 8:10 PM]

DJ Augustin from Texas is the best passing point guard in this year's draft. I'm not sure he'll be the best player available, just saying he clearly is the best distributor.
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1/24/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:

DERRICK ROSE. Freshman PG, Memphis 6'4 200 pounds.
Good shooter, great slasher, great passer, can play uptempo or half-court, plays defense, is coachable. This is our guy.

Bip, I expected you to pick up the Rose slack for me. What happened?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-23-2008 11:11 PM]

That's because he sucks

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1/24/2008  3:28 PM
There are four legitimately good point prospects in this year's draft.

Derrick Rose - it's all about his speed and size. He'd be an insane mismatch.

Jerryd Bayless - He is a Gilbert Arenas type. There is no doubt n my mind he'll be good. I just don't see the point in going from Marbury to Arenas.

Darren Collison - Has some serious two-way potential. Definitely a starter in this league. Jordan Farmar just recently came from UCLA too.

DJ Augustin - He got more assists than Mike Conley Jr. last year and continues to distribute. He doesn't have the size you'd like from a NBA player though... but TJ Ford recently came out of Texas and he was real small.

There's a lot of prospects in this year's draft.. I'd really love for a 15-22 pick, because there is going to be a good player available there too. Like the 3 and the 17 is too much to ask for
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1/24/2008  3:38 PM
2 more to add to the list: Ty Lawson and Mario Chalmers. Like these 2 guys a lot- unselfish, efficient and they win games.
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1/24/2008  3:48 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nyk4ever:

DERRICK ROSE. Freshman PG, Memphis 6'4 200 pounds.
Good shooter, great slasher, great passer, can play uptempo or half-court, plays defense, is coachable. This is our guy.

Bip, I expected you to pick up the Rose slack for me. What happened?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-23-2008 11:11 PM]

That's because he sucks

I'm sick of hearing people say "Derrick Rose sucks." His stats are 14 points, 4 rebounds, and 4 assists. Not that spectacular, but when you realize he does it in under 28 minutes and Chris Paul averaged 15 points, 3 rebounds, and 6 assists in just under 34 minutes. On top of that, look at where Memphis is in the rankings. Do you think its a coincidence Derrick Rose is Memphis' best player, they're 17-0, and the team is number one in multiple polls?

He had a 10 rebound game this year, as well as a 10 assist game, and nine 17+ point games on .484 shooting. He hasn't put it all together yet, but he also doesn't play as much as some of the other guys. He's done a lot of nice things already though... and his team is an absolute beast. He's the point guard on a great team. Isn't that the type of guy many of us wanted Marbury to be?

There is no better prospect in this year's draft in my opinion. He's likely not going to go number one, but he'll be the most vital to the success of team that drafts him.

He's actually playing at Tulane, so I'll have a chance to see him... which will be awesome.
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