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1/22/2008  2:49 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Who is davidson?

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1/22/2008  3:14 PM
Thanks Isles- :P

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1/22/2008  3:18 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Who is davidson?

WOW!
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1/22/2008  3:19 PM
Kosmovitelli Realgm says:

Good old Isiah. Always the same. No accountability. Always moaning and trying to put the blame on someone else for his own failures.
He bankrupted the CBA and refused to acknowledge he was at least 50% responsible for THAT.
He failed to advance to the 2nd round with the Pacers, Carlisle went to the East Finals with the same roster minus Brad Miller the year after ! And still, Isiah blames Larry Bird and claims he was fired for no reason and the Pacers were on path to win a title with him.
Now he failed with the Knicks and is trying to find more BS excuses for his failure and inability to get a star player.

About the KG trade it's not only KG. During the last 4 seasons, T-Mac, Shaq, Ray Allen, Ron Artest, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter have all been traded. I guess he's putting the blame on McHale and Ainge for that too ? LOL

This talk about McHale giving away KG for free to his buddy Ainge is ridiculous. Of course, it helps in negociations if you're friend with the other party. Hello there ??? I guess Isiah didn't know that already ?
That's how Riley and Pfund got Shaq in the first place, thanks to their connections as former Lakers. I'm still waiting for the Lakers GM, Mitch Kupchak, to join Riley in Miami ! LOL
Rod Thorn got Vince Carter for two first round picks (non lotto picks) and Toronto accepted to take Zo's ridiculous contract. Again I'm still waiting for Toronto's former GM (don't remember his name) to join Thorn in New Jersey. LOL
Larry Bird traded Ron Artest to SacTown for Peja's expiring contract and then let him walk. I'm still waiting for Bird to join the Maloofs in Sacramento. LOL

So it's not like the KG trade was the most lopsided ever. Before moaning about it Isiah should name at least one team which was ready to surrender a top 5 pick + young players for KG. Not to mention that team needed KG's approval. The funny thing is I think McHale was lucky Ainge accepted the trade because all other NBA teams were waiting for the february trade deadline to pressure the Wolves as we all knew KG would opt out at the end of the season. The truth is McHale waited too long and was lucky to get away with a top 5 pick and young players. He was on the verge of getting nothing for KG.

All things considered, the fact Isiah and McHale hated eachother made it difficult for us but it was impossible for Isiah to get KG mainly because we didn't have the pieces (Isiah already traded our lotto pick for Curry) and Isiah always refused to trade value to get value. He always tried to trade picks, expiring contracts and unwanted players. He wanted to get players on the cheap. When was the last time Isiah traded a player he really liked and was reluctant to give him away ????? Trevor Ariza ?
It never happened.
Isiah also failed to mention that KG first refused to be traded to Boston. He accepted only once the Celtics traded for Ray Allen and he was excited to play with both Pierce and Allen. He thought he had a shot at a championship. Where are our Pierce and Allen ?
Let's face it, KG would not have accepted a trade to NY with our current roster. Especially after Isiah traded for Randolph.

Instead of moaning about the Celtics connections, Isiah should acknowledge he traded most of our assets for crap (4 first round ppicks for Marbury and Curry). He totally mismanaged our assets and only has himself to blame.

The number one reason Isiah has been a failure everywhere he's been since he retired as a player is he constantly refuses to acknowledge his mistakes.
How can you correct your mistakes if you don't acknowledge them ?
Obviously you can't. You have to see the light and be humble about what you've done wrong.
As long as he refuses to be held accountable, Isiah will repeat the same mistakes time and time again. It's as simple as that. Sad to see someone being so stubborn after all the bad things he done in NY. Unbelievable.
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1/22/2008  3:23 PM
Isiah's waiting for Joe D to trade us Rasheed when he's washed up & on his last legs.
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1/22/2008  3:24 PM
Posted by TMS:

Isiah's waiting for Joe D to trade us Rasheed when he's washed up & on his last legs.

Not to mention that Sheed would get a max extension as part of the deal.

They should make a new contract type for Isiah, called the triple-max contract, where you can sign a player for triple the max, as long as they provide 1/3 the production. I think Isiah would happily go for as many triple-max players as he could.
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1/22/2008  3:30 PM
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Posted by arkrud:

The initial idea of Isiah was correct (I feel strane by saying this).
NY Knicks can be rebuilt only around PG. Elite PG.
It doesn’t matter using trade or draft.
This should be the starting point... again.
But somebody needs to do it right this time. And this is not Isiah.
NY needs THE MAN to take the pressure and lead the team on the court and off the court.
We need great PG...

There are actually three talented PGs in this year's draft outside of Derrick Rose.

Jerryd Baylesss is a shoot first point with a lot of potential, so I say pass (even though he's the most talented of the three).

I watched DJ Augustin play last night and he reminds me of another Texas product in TJ Ford, but not as good... he'll probably still be an assist machine in the pros though.

Darren Collison of UCLA is a great two-way point... and actually the guy I want most of the bunch.

But we'll see what happens around the conference tournaments and the NCAA... but there are point guards available in this years draft (thank God).
Darren Collison...... I don't know about all of that man. I think he would be a great at 27..... not 7th like were the knicks will be.

I think its between Rose and Bayless.

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1/22/2008  3:55 PM
I have two words for Isiah, and they can be translated as stfu:

LaMarcus Aldrige.

Why do we have to continue to be insulted by this punk.
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1/22/2008  4:23 PM
The truth is McHale waited too long and was lucky to get away with a top 5 pick and young players. He was on the verge of getting nothing for KG.

I thought Boston's pick went to Seattle?
Boston did giv up a lot for KG though- Telfair, Gomes, Jefferson , Green, pluas two number ones - so thats like 6 1st round picks and Theo an 11 million dollar expiring pick. Anyway - I think half the league was trying to get KG -particularly the Lakers and Phoenix.

I dont know about that. The number ones are essentially neutralized, McHale had to have known that adding KG to that roster would virtually guarantee that the pick would be in the high 20's. Telfair, and Green? Never was, flameouts who are good enough to get you a 6-34 record or whatever it is. Gomes is ok, I guess.

Expiring contract? The Timberwolves are nowhere near being able to compete with the elite teams so its not as if cap space is a grave concern. Besides, just about every team has one of those.

About the only worthwhile component is Jefferson, but he strikes me as a Shareef Rahim, Zach Randolph type. Good player, but sort of a stat padder on bad teams. He damn sure isnt a ticket seller. How is he the centerpiece?

It was definitely an unimpressive package. Its almost as if McHale just said "give me what you want for him" He clearly handed KG to Ainge on a silver platter. Leaves room for speculation, but I'll admit that this is not the first recorded, lopsided deal in the history of professional sports. Just comical to see others try to argue otherwise. He would not have made a comparable deal with NY.
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1/22/2008  4:55 PM
Boston did two separate trades. Their Top 5 pick went to Seattle in the Ray Allen trade, while their future first rounder goes to Minnesota in the K.G. trade.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-22-2008 3:56 PM]
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1/22/2008  4:59 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Boston did two separate trades. Their Top 5 pick went to Seattle in the Ray Allen trade, while their future first rounder goes to Minnesota in the K.G. trade.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-22-2008 3:56 PM]

Exactly, in the article you quoted, he made it seem as though McHale received a top 5 pick for KG.
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1/22/2008  5:03 PM
Why is it that it has taken Isiah 4 years to realize that he needs a leader? Especially at the PG position? I again ask, while we were using resources on the Eddie Curry's and the Zach Randolph's and the Jerome James' and the Jared Jeffries of the world, he completely ignored the most important aspect of a TEAM.
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1/22/2008  5:05 PM
You guys can bash Isiah for everything he has done but he is right about the KG trade those two Celtics GM bitch slapped the entire league with the deal. Phil Jackson still questions the deal and to me Phil Jackson usually tells it like it is. This was a deal that the league should have not allowed. This was a deal between friends and that has very little basketball deraling involved in it.
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1/22/2008  5:10 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You guys can bash Isiah for everything he has done but he is right about the KG trade those two Celtics GM bitch slapped the entire league with the deal. Phil Jackson still questions the deal and to me Phil Jackson usually tells it like it is. This was a deal that the league should have not allowed. This was a deal between friends and that has very little basketball deraling involved in it.

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That’s why one should have friends not enemies.
Isiah has only enemies so he will always be a loser.




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1/22/2008  5:17 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You guys can bash Isiah for everything he has done but he is right about the KG trade those two Celtics GM bitch slapped the entire league with the deal. Phil Jackson still questions the deal and to me Phil Jackson usually tells it like it is. This was a deal that the league should have not allowed. This was a deal between friends and that has very little basketball deraling involved in it.
Maybe it did or maybe it didn't, but both sides have the right to do that anyway.
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1/22/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You guys can bash Isiah for everything he has done but he is right about the KG trade those two Celtics GM bitch slapped the entire league with the deal. Phil Jackson still questions the deal and to me Phil Jackson usually tells it like it is. This was a deal that the league should have not allowed. This was a deal between friends and that has very little basketball deraling involved in it.

What does that have to do with us is my question?
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1/22/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by Vmart:

You guys can bash Isiah for everything he has done but he is right about the KG trade those two Celtics GM bitch slapped the entire league with the deal. Phil Jackson still questions the deal and to me Phil Jackson usually tells it like it is. This was a deal that the league should have not allowed. This was a deal between friends and that has very little basketball deraling involved in it.

I guess Minnesota and the Celtics shouldn't be allowed to make trades with each other as long as Danny and Mchale are the GM's.(rolling eyes)

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-22-2008 4:21 PM]
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1/22/2008  5:22 PM
Ok, let's hear the trade offer that Isiah made that was rejected solely because he wasn't "in" with McHale.

I don't think he had the assets to get Al Jefferson or Minnesota's #1 pick (possibly this seasons) that Boston sent back to them so I'd love to hear what makes Isiah think he had a chance to get KG.
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1/22/2008  5:23 PM
I haven't asked Isiah to make moves that will turn us from a 33 win team to a 60 win team. All I ask is that he make moves that over the course of 4 years allows us to show improvement. We have yet to do that. Okay so the Celtics got Garnett. IT's unfair. Waa Waa! It still doesn't explain why we acquire all the guys that we do and still can't win more than 33 games.
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1/22/2008  5:24 PM
It's not like if K.G. were traded to the Bulls, Warriors, or Suns we wouldn't be lashing out in fits of rage or goofing on the details of the deals still. We had our chance we couldn't make it happen, suck it up and move on.
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