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arkrud
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Posted by iyamwutiam:
Facts the giants were a MUCH superior team then the Knicks- I gave you some evidence in terms of Plax, Eli, Strahan, Shockey, Tiki- who is spinning and who is ignoring facts. I have said- and if I ever do find that link - it would be awesome- however - be generous and afford me a few premises:
1. Dolan - did not hand over the keys to a shiny corvette to Isiah - in fact - he handed him a clunker no one wanted to drive. Dolan had definite input in Wilkens, definitely Larry Brown , and probably Marbury- because - they wanted someone - who would keep the seats filled. Now I know someone is going to get me a stat about how the seats were being filled or that they are being filled less since Marbury came. But thats not the point - the point is- most GMs in big market areas- do want to keep some interest in the team alive - and generally thats done with signing a 'home town' star/ex-star.
2. Larry Brown and the subsequent year have to be thrown out. Francis, James and Jalen Rose - not only cost the team roster space, development of rookies but also focus on the initial strategy (building thru the draft and trading for young players -no way does antonio Davis fit that(but he does fit LB). One can not say - that trying to force veterans Francis, J. Rose changing the system etc only has a year impact -especially because unlike football - where no contracts are gauranteed - you can't move these players - your stuck with them and even end up paying them if they retire (Antonio Davis), buying them out or trading them for a good player with an oversized contract - which is better than trading them for a bad player with an oversized contract.
I have gone over these premises enough - and I don't think they are absurd, fantastical or even ill conceived.
Take a look at Jerry West (establsihed demi-god of GMs)- he joined the Grizzlies in 2002- a team with a true all star in Pau Gasol, Stromile Swift, Shane Battier, Brevin knight, Jason Williams drafted Kendrick Perkins (the guy who burnt us tonite), Drew Gooden, Rudy Guy, Hakeem Warrick, Mike Conlet, Lowery. yeah - they made the playoffs- yeah they won 50 games for one season and yeah they have more talent then the Knicks in a lot of positions -but whats their record today? he has been through four coaches, a bunch of draft picks and a bunch of trades. he is supposedly the best GM in basketball.
As for Colangelo- my father (like Scott Layden) is also a GM - he inherited Chris Bosh, Mo Peterson , jose Calderon, the number pick of the entire draft - so its not the same - also if it wasn't for LB -taking Jalen Rose- he would have had little cap space to work with.
Atlanta with Billy Knight from 2002 and memphis before that.
Its not so easy in the NBA - to get 'franchise' players. People will want to trade you Wally Szerbiak for Crawford & Lee all night. Or some dum *** like Eric Dampier for Lee, Balkman and Randolph, oh lets not forget the great trade idea of Jason Williams for Lee and Robinson- wow - have we ever improved talent wise and future wise i all these scenarios. Especially now - wen the press, bad GMS and avaricious owners conspire like wolves trying to gut the weakest and vulnerable prey.
So - forget it - unless you give up 5-7 first round draft picks -you are not getting a Yao Ming, KG, Kobe, le Bron- however - for two picks and a good player - you can get a 'used' to be franchise player all day long - like Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, the Matrix etc.
So what do WE have:
1. Center- EC- 23- averages 18/6 a game at an average of 10 million over 5 years!!
2 PF - ZBo-26- averages 20/10 over the last 5 years @ an average of 14 a year for 4 years!!
3. G -(Crawford) 24 at 56 M over 6 years - of which 30 M (Jerome Williams @ 4 years was taken back by the bulls).
Robinson, Lee, Balkman, Chandlerat rookie salaries and Morris Randolph for peanuts.
Jeffries and James for the mid-level exception. This is far worse than signig Austin Croshere to 60 M , Jalen Rose for 93 M, and getting Trtoy Murphy and M. Dunleay for a 100M - care to name THAT GM -my friend.
OK - so all the problems with the Knicks are not Isiah fault. So what is he accomplished like GM\coach with Knicks? Following your logic he was just Dolans and LB puppet and was pushed around and forced to do bad and stupid things. Is this making him look better? He is a LOSER from any possible point of view. Why to have losers around? It is not healthy. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/22/2008 8:11 AM
