PIKE I agree with everything except the COLLISON is not all that. I'm glade we passed on him !!!

pike , sweetney is a oakely with a bit more muscle.

pike please.

Sweentey can't bench press 185 pounds more than 5 times, believe it or not. i am 5' 9 and i can lift 185 a lot more than that.

i met this cat that shall remain nameless, who trains in the city. this dude looks like one of those hulk ad's. he mentioned he worked out with oakley numerous times. he told me pound for pound oakley was the stongest guy in the NBA. he mention a 400 pound bench press was like lifting a leaf for Charles.

if you said sweetney was a charles oakley that can make a layup i be with you.

get your facts --------------------------

I had a dream last night. I dreamt that Scott Layden for once didnt do anything stupid at the draft. Oh wait, I wasn't dreaming !!! Scottie took the nice, safe logical draft pick. I like Sweetney over Collison but that's because I've seen ALOT of Sweetney at G-Town. We'll all be debating the Collison/Sweetney thing all year. Lampe, hey he's tall and skilled. Vranes- well at least he's tall. Hopefully Sweetney will turn into an Elton Brand type. Knicks still need work via trade and Free Agency (Andre Miller, Rasha Nesterivic from Minn), but at least for one day, I can feel good about the Knicks.

hey Gun, hatten would be a great pick at 39, we have seen hatten play you want lampe and the other 7'6 doof unless your over seas you never saw them play.

i'm a bitter knicks fan

HA!! So you finally ADMIT IT!!

[Edited by - necrom33 on 06/27/2003 13:40:56]

Oh boy i can see we are upset layden came thru THIS YR! Gony you and Pike say Lampe fell in his lap, not true. The trade for Mcdyess is what made it all happen, we took two non guaranteed guys at 30 and 39 and made something happen. Layden knew that a few good players could come from the second Rd, plus we were trying to save a lil cash for dolan too. Now if Jerry West did that TRADE he would be called a genius up in here. Matter of fact I think west is slipping, he could have kept his 13 pick and gotten DAUNTE JONES LATER IN DRAFT. Sweetney could run circles around collison in the paint are you kidding me. Collison can't play aginst talented tall guys because he's weak. I will say this he can run the floor though. Sweetney will be better than Oakley , of course he's not as strong as Oak=no brainer.

Ares...dude I've been watching practically every knick game since the 96-97 season. I was only what 13 then. Now I'm 20, I was heart broken that first year after that stupid miami season. The knicks had a great chance to beat the bulls that year. They split the season series 2-2, ewing had that great duncan on dennis rodman and then the game winning shot of the glass. Starks hit that game winning 3pointer against phoenix that year. From then on I was gonna die a knick fan. Most important of all I was a Ewing fan. I've never seen someone play with so much heart. I wanted to win one for Pat. Then After that season everything started going downhill. The 97-98 team however, made me very proud as they played without ewing all season long. I remember that game against LA where Oakley shutdown shaq and then beating the heat in game 5. Then there was the glorious s '99 season. But then Layden got his hands on the team and ruin the knicks by trading my hero. I will never forgive him for trading Patrick. After he traded patrick being a knick fan for me just wasn't the same. I really wanted to win for patrick. I've cristisized all of Layden moves, even last year. I was one of the few at the garden who knew and wanted Nene, a true center, instead he traded him away. I really wanted Scott out of year up til lastnight. He did a great job I thought. Sweetney is a New York Knicks type player. Mark my word! And he stole Lampe, a clear lottery player and it looks like there is a chance he could play next year. If he doesn't no problemo, we can wait 2 years. The bottom line is I was questioning how long it would be before I'd see the knicks in the playoffs again. I was thinking not for another 5,8,10 years but lastnight changed that.

Posted by ARES:

hmmm almost predictable the forum idiot, would come around and act like layden walked on water.

this is how David Koresh convinced people he was jesus....stupid people..

To even count that 39 th pick is a joke the guy from what i hear is a 7-4 clown with no skills what so ever. lampe i will wait and see, but sweetney is michael wright, a good player but is he leading us to championship???

Again the idot base's next season on the last one, like he bases his life on the 1999 run. but we got a decent foward so did every one else. the cav's got a guard bigger than a guy we looking to play center.

again this idiot was talking all this smack last season about us beating the nets i expect him too do it again.

i just want to save the innocent.

Ares, as you know, I did not and still don't want sweetney, but lampe may be the steal of the draft. Now having not seen him, I must go by the reliable sources that have seen him, and they say this kid has great upside, and as a knick fan to finally have a tall player who is young with upside, is a welcome change..

Guns i hate patrick ewing, i think he was a overrated bum,

but thats a sensitive thing with you so i will leave it at that.

i got about 15 year of knicks debalces over you. no doubt, it's making me Numb. i am enthuastic no more.

guns you counting a definte on a if probablity. you saying we definetley going to get better "IF" lampe is the guy "IF". dude ask around about me my name is also ICE. I am good in couting into these equations where we as fans start to all excited and worked up. TKF knows, i put him on the logic map for years now.

if we don't follow up it will be about four to five years before we get better. guns sweetney aint brand, but no doubt he fills a hole. we finally got a undersized power foward that can play.

and i dont want to sound like i been watching the knicks longer so i know more....i am saying my heart is broke, long time ago, i'm in the bitter stage. you talk like there is hope. but here is a point

here are a list of teams better than us right now,
lakers,SAC,Spurs,Dallas,Phoenix,houston,portland,nets,detroit,indy,philly,boston,charlotte,orlando,minny

thats 14, then you got teams that are coming up, memphis, golden st,atlanta, denver and yes even cleveland. I'm sure i left out a couple of teams

please believe it last night does not change nothing , we got so much more work to do it aint funny

i will be here to tell you "I TOLD YOU SO" lord willing.

peace.