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Chink in the armor--David Lee
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buddapaw
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1/19/2008  8:29 AM
Lee has a disturbing habit of when he turn the ball over he argues with the refs instead of getting back on defense. He is doing that more often now and also turning ball over carelessly.
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1/19/2008  9:04 AM
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trade him

If I say it I'm being overly negative.

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1/19/2008  9:18 AM
I ask you this question could the Knicks use a player that shoots 58% from the field and averages 13.1 points and 10.8 when he play over 30 minutes a game? If so play Lee 30 minutes a game and that is what your getting from him.
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1/19/2008  9:21 AM
buddapaw I totally agree about the arguing with the refs. He has to be mentally tougher and not lets things bother him on the court. He needs to mature and when things get tough not let them effect his game. If he was on a real team a vetern would have jumped his ass and told him to quit doing that crap. On this team we dont have that and the guys that play in front of him do the same thing.
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1/19/2008  9:34 AM
oohah Lee stayed in New York and worked out at the facility by himself every day. Defensively he is better than Zach and Eddy which isnt saying much. Jamison didnt score on him when he was guarding him in the second and at least he made things harder for Yao in Houston. I think this year he has hit more jumpers than he did all of last year. You can doubt his production onthe court but dont in the off season because he works harder than anyone on this team with the exception of Nate. He has to adjust playing 20 minutes a night and like I said he isnt going to be as successful with limited minutes. When he is in the game the big will never get doubled and it makes it easier for other people to rebound because he gets face guarded and they have to keep him off the boards.
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1/19/2008  9:49 AM
David Lee is a good player. He's actually gotten better with his post and drive ability.

What's the Knicks record again? 12-26? Man......anybody is available cuz its a team effort.

It shouldn't be trade Daviod cuz he sucks cuz he doesn't. It should be trade him to make the team better. Admire him from a far, just as long as the team gets better.

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1/19/2008  10:56 AM
Lee is a high energy player who plays average D and is more about hustle then skill on offense. He is only 6'9 and can't really shoot(now).What kind of Center does that truely compelement? Honestly looking threw out the league only players I could think of is Yao, young Shaq Deisel, Older Bynum, Stoudimere and Tim Duncan(maybe Bogat and Hawes). Ineffect a guy who doesn't need a bigger forward to bang from him, a guy who is better offensely then Lee and a guy who is better defensively then Lee. Everyone one of those guys are top 10 draft picks

That to me seems like an impossible wish list for the knicks and nobody has ever said ship out Zach or Curry for a player like that, but a player that is a more defensive verison of Lee. So the question is should the knicks be looking to trade Lee??? What if Lee could get the knicks in on the conversation for a guy like Oakfur???

Resigned Lee and filler for Oakfur could help this team move along to being a contender. I not against keeping Lee, but I'm not against trading Lee either.
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1/19/2008  11:04 AM
Posted by King1:

I ask you this question could the Knicks use a player that shoots 58% from the field and averages 13.1 points and 10.8 when he play over 30 minutes a game? If so play Lee 30 minutes a game and that is what your getting from him.

Stop using that stat its not a mathematical equation. So its best to stick with whats actual reality. B/c there are so many things that go into for example conditioning you may assume that his body could perform at a high level every night playing 30 plus mins but that doesn't make it so. For some players their effectiveness may only last for somewhat short periods of time.
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1/19/2008  11:04 AM
I don't think this is about blaming lee. The real question is whether last year's david lee is ever coming back? Because if that David Lee isn't coming back, I have no problem trading him at all. However, if the lee from last year is coming back with post moves and a jumpshot, then trading Lee is a really bad idea.
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1/19/2008  11:21 AM
David Lee is doing fine. If anything, he is being too nice to the officials. He's doing better than last year - thanks to the influence of Zach - but he could do more.

Someone needs to show these Zebras that this league is about players, not officials.

I'd like to see Lee use some expletives, and possibly slap one of them upside the head.

As far as scoring goes, Lee just needs to get more selfish. When you get the ball do not pass under any circumstances! Even if you've got all five of the opposing players surrounding you, you should try to bull your way to the basket. You can't trust these other guys with the ball.

Head for the smallest player and knock him on his ass. If you get called for a charge, make some ripe comments about the ref's mother.

That's the way to do it.




[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-19-2008 11:21]
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1/19/2008  11:38 AM
the only complaint i have about D Lee's game is that he hasn't yet learned how to play team defense, because i think he's distinctly able to play good D ... he's not lazy & he has good basketball instincts in general... playing D should come naturally for him but so far it's been a huge weakness in his game... i'd also like to see him develop a midrange jumper, but that will come in time... he's a hard worker & his improvement in his FT shooting suggests to me he'll eventually develop some sort of a reliable jumpshot in due time.
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1/19/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

David Lee is doing fine. If anything, he is being too nice to the officials. He's doing better than last year - thanks to the influence of Zach - but he could do more.

Someone needs to show these Zebras that this league is about players, not officials.

I'd like to see Lee use some expletives, and possibly slap one of them upside the head.

As far as scoring goes, Lee just needs to get more selfish. When you get the ball do not pass under any circumstances! Even if you've got all five of the opposing players surrounding you, you should try to bull your way to the basket. You can't trust these other guys with the ball.

Head for the smallest player and knock him on his ass. If you get called for a charge, make some ripe comments about the ref's mother.

That's the way to do it.
[Edited by - basketballjones on 01-19-2008 11:21]

I agree. Maybe Lee can take some lessons from Darko.
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1/19/2008  12:15 PM

Lee is a very good role player for the Knicks...I think he believes his press clippings much like Balkman did earlier this season...I think he expected to be given the starting role at PF and has not really given the effort as he has in the past since Isiah traded for Zach...I think he is a bit discouraged this year...Interesting comment he made during an interview prior to a Knick game saying he too can score 17 pts a game if he gets 20 shots...I'm thinking he is saying he can do what Zach does....I think he really needs to come back down to earth and play with all heart as he did last year and good things will happen...

Thats said, I think its way too early to give up on the guy because I think he can play at the same level as he did last year if not higher...He needs to start looking at himself as a very good role player and improve in the areas that can help the team most..He has enough athleticism to be a good defensive player but seems like he doesn't even try...He needs to stop think he can be an offensive force and work hard on the defensive end....You can make just as much money in a role like Lee playing good defense compared to if he improved his outside shot...He is young and a very hard worker so we need to ease up on him a little...Let him find his role within the team...
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1/19/2008  12:45 PM
I think exactly what we thought would happen is happening; Randolph came in and ate up Lee's minutes, and his role is not clear. He hasn't had the same consistent impact on the game like he did last year, but he also hasn't really had a defined role. He'll play varying minutes with different players on any given night, some nights he'll play well then get pulled and, for some reason, never return. Ironically I actually think Lee plays better with Randolph than he does with Curry.
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1/19/2008  1:08 PM
Lee is a nice role player, but he has no jumper and that is his downfall. Last night The Knicks were 6 points down and he misses this aweful attempt at a jumper. He has got to get a 10 ft jumper. The Athleticism will begin to deteriorate as he fills out into his body thats a given that is why he no longer has the explosion that he once had.
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1/19/2008  1:24 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Lee is a very good role player for the Knicks...I think he believes his press clippings much like Balkman did earlier this season...I think he expected to be given the starting role at PF and has not really given the effort as he has in the past since Isiah traded for Zach...I think he is a bit discouraged this year...Interesting comment he made during an interview prior to a Knick game saying he too can score 17 pts a game if he gets 20 shots...I'm thinking he is saying he can do what Zach does....I think he really needs to come back down to earth and play with all heart as he did last year and good things will happen...

Thats said, I think its way too early to give up on the guy because I think he can play at the same level as he did last year if not higher...He needs to start looking at himself as a very good role player and improve in the areas that can help the team most..He has enough athleticism to be a good defensive player but seems like he doesn't even try...He needs to stop think he can be an offensive force and work hard on the defensive end....You can make just as much money in a role like Lee playing good defense compared to if he improved his outside shot...He is young and a very hard worker so we need to ease up on him a little...Let him find his role within the team...

Lee 'too' can not score 17 points a game - because he can't shoot from over 5 feet. He is a good back up player - who hustles, sometimes plays defense and can score from with in 5 feet of the basket. That doesn't mean that he won't get better- but at times he still looks raw- in terms of his passing and understanding where his defender is-- I am not sure how he can believe he would be a starter. He also can not play with his back to the basket on the low block.

I am not saying Zach is a good defender or anything - but he can always step out and take that shot if need be- recently (finally) he is taking it more inside-which he needs to do. If Zach adds and inside game to his outside shooting - he will be a much more well rounded player.



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