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1/17/2008  10:59 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Reggie Theus recently told reporters he wants to coach Bibby and Artest. Their team has now come around to being healthy. Bibby scored 20pts in his first game back he's not washed up but his contract is an albatross. Theus acknowledges to Sac media the trade discussions are out of hands. So it's more about Petrie trying to swindle I SAY UGH than anything else. It's why Sac media is leaking all this info on us along with New Jersey. Theus wants the team in tact as much as possible. Their record isn't all that bad considering their injury issues and conference they play in.

he had 19 points and no assists.. bibby is just a jump shooting PG, he can't beat anyone off the dribble,and is a shell of his old self.... If he is not washed up, he is damn near close to it...

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1/17/2008  11:01 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

I just have one question.. why does sacramento want him that bad that they are willing to trade two All galaxy players(if you listen to some people on these boards) with lee as the centerpiece of the deal?

why?
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1/17/2008  11:04 AM
Posted by tkf:

I swear to god, and I am not ****ing around.. If lee is traded in any deal with sacramento that does not bring back Kevin martin. I will ****ing **** on this knick team!!!!

David Lee is not worth Kevin Martin.
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1/17/2008  11:06 AM
Posted by purple012870:

The Lee love around here is ridiculous????????

This is a comment made by people who judge basketball by box scores only. Not by people who recognize heart, leadership, b-ball IQ, rare ball-handling & passing ability for a PF, ability to finish. These skills are all less exploited b/c he's playing with a pile of steaming crap for teammates. Put him on SA, PHO, DET, BOS, ORL, LAL, PO, DAL etc. & he's a perennial 6th man of the year guy.

Getting crazy ass Artest to along with malcontent Zach to go along with fat, lazy ass Curry is an unmitigated disaster.

David Lee is a 9/8 bench player on one of the worth teams in the league and you're treating him like the second coming of Charles Oakley.
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1/17/2008  11:07 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Reggie Theus recently told reporters he wants to coach Bibby and Artest. Their team has now come around to being healthy. Bibby scored 20pts in his first game back he's not washed up but his contract is an albatross. Theus acknowledges to Sac media the trade discussions are out of hands. So it's more about Petrie trying to swindle I SAY UGH than anything else. It's why Sac media is leaking all this info on us along with New Jersey. Theus wants the team in tact as much as possible. Their record isn't all that bad considering their injury issues and conference they play in.

he had 19 points and no assists.. bibby is just a jump shooting PG, he can't beat anyone off the dribble,and is a shell of his old self.... If he is not washed up, he is damn near close to it...


He's never been a high assist man his whole career, 5ast/gm even during their Contending run. To get 20pts first game of the yr isn't blow you away impressive but shooting 7-12fg and snagging 6reb 4-7 from downtown is not too shabby. Plus he was playing 2guard during stretches of the game.
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1/17/2008  11:08 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.
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1/17/2008  11:12 AM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.

no, we don't need to replace lee with a better player. we need to replace marbury and/or crawford with a real PG, eddy or curry with a defensive big, and Q and/or jeffries with a serviceable starting SF. trading our young guys like lee isn't going to make any difference if we're still trying to accomodate those guys.
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1/17/2008  11:14 AM
And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.

Wait you didn't know Lee is the basketball Albert Einstein, with the leadership skills of a 5 star General, and moves that you wouldn't believe. Thats why David Lee is untouchable.
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1/17/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.

no, we don't need to replace lee with a better player. we need to replace marbury and/or crawford with a real PG, eddy or curry with a defensive big, and Q and/or jeffries with a serviceable starting SF. trading our young guys like lee isn't going to make any difference if we're still trying to accomodate those guys.


And how are you supposed to get this starting PG, defensive big and serviceable SF without trading David Lee?
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1/17/2008  11:16 AM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.

no, we don't need to replace lee with a better player. we need to replace marbury and/or crawford with a real PG, eddy or curry with a defensive big, and Q and/or jeffries with a serviceable starting SF. trading our young guys like lee isn't going to make any difference if we're still trying to accomodate those guys.


And how are you supposed to get this starting PG, defensive big and serviceable SF without trading David Lee?

by being patient and not starphuching on bibby artest and brad miller
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1/17/2008  11:18 AM
If Sacramento offered Ron Artest for David Lee, you pull the trigger.
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1/17/2008  11:20 AM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.

the one thing that you can say about David is that he knows that he has to get better and you see that he is doing it. Same can be said of a guy like Kevin Martin after he first got to the league.

If David ever finds confidence in that 12 to 15 to 18 foot jumpshot, watch out. Tons of example of PFs who didn't find their stroke until 3rd or 4th year in the league.
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1/17/2008  11:22 AM
Posted by Klytus:

If Sacramento offered Ron Artest for David Lee, you pull the trigger.

Why? What does Ron Artest make us? Does his relative upside to team that's as crappy as this one negate the risk of his downside? Absolutely not.

The Knicks don't have anything to gain by trading one of their good, young, cheap players for Artest at this point.

This is a team in dire need of some addition by subtraction. Not excess bloating.
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1/17/2008  11:24 AM
Posted by Klytus:

If Sacramento offered Ron Artest for David Lee, you pull the trigger.

let me guess, if portland offers zach randolph for channing frye you do the same? eddy curry for a few picks? steve francis for trevor ariza?

ugh. let me know when can we stop trading for overhyped selfish headcase "stars."
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1/17/2008  11:26 AM
Why in the world would we acquire Artest for anything of value? Does he have ability? Sure. Is he a home-wrecker (and our home has already been wrecked beyond recognition)? Will he be around when we're finally ready to win? No way, that's 3-4 league suspensions from now. So what's the point?

How to fix the Knicks is easy?

1. Keep IT until end of season, insure losing ways for draft lottery odds.
2. Take any opportunity to trade EC, ZR, Q-Crap. But not at the expense of taking back worse contracts.
3. Be open to trading Craw, Nate, Balk but only if good young, cheap value is returned.
4. Don't trade Lee unless its part of a package that returns a player that doesn't have severe flaws in character & is a young all-star or core player of a winning team.
5. Don't touch the next draft pick.
6. Fire Isiah at season's end.
7. Promise a young competent GM (Mullin) that Dolan won't get in his way.
8. Draft one of the young studs (i.e. Beasley, Gordon).
9. Hire a coach who appreciates & teaches actual team basketball (JVG, Carlisle).
10. Apologize to fans for 2003-2008 fiasco.
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1/17/2008  11:26 AM
Bitty I am not saying David is a better player than Z-Bo but please answer these questions.
1. Why did Portland trade Zach for virtually nothing and they are a better team?
2. Why did David get picked to practice with the Olympic team and Zach didnt?
3. The Knicks could trade Lee tomorrow to probably 20 teams and no one wants Zach.
Lee is a complimentary player and on a good team he would help them. Zach is all about me will never win and has character issues.
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1/17/2008  11:26 AM
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Posted by tkf:

I swear to god, and I am not ****ing around.. If lee is traded in any deal with sacramento that does not bring back Kevin martin. I will ****ing **** on this knick team!!!!

David Lee is not worth Kevin Martin.
and at this point in their careers, artest and bibby are not worth lee.. Not to the knicks at least...

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1/17/2008  11:28 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Posted by TrueBlue:

Reggie Theus recently told reporters he wants to coach Bibby and Artest. Their team has now come around to being healthy. Bibby scored 20pts in his first game back he's not washed up but his contract is an albatross. Theus acknowledges to Sac media the trade discussions are out of hands. So it's more about Petrie trying to swindle I SAY UGH than anything else. It's why Sac media is leaking all this info on us along with New Jersey. Theus wants the team in tact as much as possible. Their record isn't all that bad considering their injury issues and conference they play in.

he had 19 points and no assists.. bibby is just a jump shooting PG, he can't beat anyone off the dribble,and is a shell of his old self.... If he is not washed up, he is damn near close to it...


He's never been a high assist man his whole career, 5ast/gm even during their Contending run. To get 20pts first game of the yr isn't blow you away impressive but shooting 7-12fg and snagging 6reb 4-7 from downtown is not too shabby. Plus he was playing 2guard during stretches of the game.

Do you see any need for bibby here in NY? that makes as much sense as winning 33 games this year as some of you would like to put it.... right? You know what. I would much rather cut lee , straight out cut him, then trade him for bibby....
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1/17/2008  11:30 AM
Posted by Klytus:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Why can't we rebuild with youth like every other team? Somebody said well Lee isn't as good as Artest and Bibby...No **** Sherlocks. He has been in the league for not even 3 yrs yet. Let him develop. We are not winning a championship this yr or in the next 3. We are not going to the playoffs. We are going to **** up the chemistry AGAIN. You dont trade players like Lee and Nate you let them develop. I am ****ing done if they make any trade like this.

And what do you think David Lee will develope into? I see a career 10/8 backup PF, which is not bad but you do not lable these type of players untouchable. Especially when your team stinks and you might need to deal David Lee to get a better player.

Do you think the kings see lee as a 10/8 career backup? I mean they could get more than that for bibby and artest, right? I trust their scouting more than ours at this point.
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1/17/2008  11:31 AM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by Klytus:

If Sacramento offered Ron Artest for David Lee, you pull the trigger.

let me guess, if portland offers zach randolph for channing frye you do the same? eddy curry for a few picks? steve francis for trevor ariza?

ugh. let me know when can we stop trading for overhyped selfish headcase "stars."

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